New Wayfarer Abuse Enforcement Ladder Policy - Discussion



  • RootBSOD-INGRootBSOD-ING Posts: 31 ✭✭

    Wish that was the case, but I'm the only one that submit things around my area, that one I'm still trying to get it approved. I submitted it in March for the first time.

    That's my point.

  • RootBSOD-INGRootBSOD-ING Posts: 31 ✭✭

    Yes it is, I gave up submitting it around June.

    I was about to resubmit it a few days ago but I had no time to do it, may I ask you which app is that?

    Would be useful as it's currently not in Ingress or any other game.

    It'd be really useful to prevent submitting duplicates.

    And I'm glad that I'm not the only one submitting things 😄

  • WheelTrekker-INGWheelTrekker-ING Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That one seems close to the another nearby wayspot, if it is within 20 meters you can't see it in Ingress. Pokemon Go allows to see all the existing wayspots during the nomination process.

  • The26thDoctor-PGOThe26thDoctor-PGO Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I used the Wayfarer app.

    I'm not sure if it's still available though as it was meant for developers. There is the ability to submit, make edits in it etc but those features don't function correctly and it adds them to the map without adding them to any game so they will never appear so it's not worth doing and it causes kittens and fairies to die if you do.

  • The26thDoctor-PGOThe26thDoctor-PGO Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's possible it has been there for years without you realising.

    It's a shame you wasted all that time and effort for something you would never have known existed :/

  • RootBSOD-INGRootBSOD-ING Posts: 31 ✭✭

    Yes and it has been placed in the wrong position as well...probably that's the reason why I couldn't see it (unless it's a recent approved one).

    I submit Wayspots only through my Ingress account, I don't like using PoGo due to the fact that I'm used to take photo and upload everything when I'm home.

    I know I can upload it later in PoGo but I tend to use Ingress because of bad.

  • RootBSOD-INGRootBSOD-ING Posts: 31 ✭✭

    Nah, probably it's a recent approval.

    There was a medieval festival in that area about a month ago, probably someone attended it and submitted it.

    The scuplture is there since the beginning of this year, it was inaugurated in January this year.

    But in the wrong position, it's completely off 😅

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 4,815 Ambassador

    You can request it be moved over in location edit appeals.

    provide some evidence of correct location and state that it is a Lightship only wayspot.

  • RootBSOD-INGRootBSOD-ING Posts: 31 ✭✭

    Thanks, I figured it out it could've been that.

    I managed to download it from the Play Store and make it to work.

    Take that Wayspot as an example: it's completely off from the real position.

    So...what should I do to correct the location since it's not in any game?

    Not in PoGo or Ingress and the correct location should be more that 20m away from the current location.

    I have at least one more Wayspot in that situation (this one completely off as well, but since I can't ask for a location change in ANY game it's stucked in a limbo rn)

  • yohaneseric30-PGOyohaneseric30-PGO Posts: 36 ✭✭

    Same one, looks like some bad reviewers has wrong side because this is coffee shop, but why this is a fake nominatons?

    We need improvement test to get busted out bad reviwers.

  • Shepeteksht-PGOShepeteksht-PGO Posts: 137 ✭✭✭

    So does this mean they will starting sorting out Zaragoza, Dubai just to name a few? That would be a funny thing to witness.

  • patsufredo-PGOpatsufredo-PGO Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They already did against Zaragoza, once. And that cluster in Vietnam. And soon with Gdańsk.

  • ZiriaSkywalker-PGOZiriaSkywalker-PGO Posts: 59 ✭✭✭

    I have reconsidered my thoughts, and although I once stated that I generally agreed with the proposal, I am changing my opinion. I disagree with these sanctions as they are pointless. As I mentioned before, truly abusive Wayfinders create accounts that can victimize Wayfarers. They are not afraid of any of your sanctions. Only Wayfinder who faithfully abides by the niantic rules and uses one account with care will be dissuaded by the sanction.

    This is a criticism of you, but it is a fact, so please bear with me and listen to it.

    You have come to the Expo Park in Suita, where I live. I welcomed you very much. But you must have seen a number of trainers there who put three or four smart phones on the drawing board and swiped them cruelly. Did you pay attention to them? You must have missed most of them. You are the ones who have been watching and overlooking the multi-accounting, even though you know it is against the rules.

    My first real Pokémon GO event was in Okinawa. I had a great time. But when I woke up a little at night in my hotel, there were sparks and dust in the Pokemon gyms around me. I thought why a gym battle at this time of night, but it soon made sense. I realized it was because there were undetectable location spoofers, attacking the gyms in Okinawa with location spoofers from overseas.That there is a time difference between when we in Japan sleep and when it is morning or afternoon, so they are enjoying the gym battles.I thought they were enjoying the gym battles because of the time difference from when we in Japan sleep, which is in the morning or afternoon.It should be easy to detect such location disguises. They are enjoying the gym battles because there is a time difference from the time we in Japan sleep, and for them it is morning or afternoon. How can an event in Japan be accessed by an IP address of an American or European Internet provider? It is an organization called Niantic, Inc. that should be able to detect the IP address and round them up, but they leave it alone.

    Wayfarer accounts can be created with any number of multi-accounts and location disguises. This is because the lock on the entrance is broken. Do not touch game accounts unless you have a good reason to do so. You will lose the Wayfinders who are sincere in keeping their promises to you and are really having fun, and you will be left with only fools who abuse the game. Please reconsider.

  • Shepeteksht-PGOShepeteksht-PGO Posts: 137 ✭✭✭

    Did they? I mean, did they even make a dent, because from what I know and seen in the forums it's the same sh*tshow as it used to be.

  • Robert4444-INGRobert4444-ING Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18

    Create a topic in Location Edit Appeals, enter the location I gave above and the location where the object is actually located. Include photos that confirm it.

    I see in aerial view this object in 46.062583, 11.250340. Thats more than 80 meters.

  • AlexMTG-PGOAlexMTG-PGO Posts: 277 ✭✭✭

    Isn't what you're describing the purpose of the appeal function?

    Things that are obviously eligible should smoothly go through. The onus is on the nominator to make it as clear as possible. Sure there are some bad actors who will disproportionately reject things but their Wayfarer rating would suffer. Whether or not that is a good enough deterrent is a whole other thing.

  • Melurra-PGOMelurra-PGO Posts: 419 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's been a few days since the announcement, and the news has many casual wayfarers shaking in their boots. I've already seen many--who must've not have known that even before this announcement, game accounts could be suspended from Wayfarer abuse--saying they are going to stop reviewing and submitting. For example, in a local Pokemon Go discord (which is also part of the "Niantic Community Ambassador" program for Pogo), a user has warned others not to submit any wayspots and is spreading misinformation. The admin/owner of the server put a reaction on the post but didn't attempt to correct the misinformation or call out the charged language for the benefit of that community. (And it's not my responsibility to do the emotional labor of correcting the misinformation that even the admin abides.)

    I'm not sure what to make of so many users pulling back from the Wayfarer system, so I'm mainly sharing the observation, as no doubt others have observed the same in their local communities. If it results in less coal being submitted because of the "worth a try" mentality, then I'm okay with that at least.

  • The26thDoctor-PGOThe26thDoctor-PGO Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've had a friend from a local group message me a link to a news story which was based on a reddit post.

    I had to try and explain maybe they did something to deserve it or maybe they didn't or maybe they were part of the Netherlands abuse or maybe they were innocently caught up in the Netherlands abuse.

    Maybe you should review or maybe you shouldn't etc etc

    I've had others ask me questions along the same line. Having to say I honestly don't know doesn't really fill them with confidence.

    These are day 1 players who have added a few things here and there, have somewhere between 100 - 1,000 reviews.

  • The26thDoctor-PGOThe26thDoctor-PGO Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've found the large majority of local players would laugh at the thought of adding a bin, Sainsbury's etc.

    They might attempt to add a coffee shop, an EIIR box but I would say that's perfectly reasonable when you look at the way Niantic have structured their information and what they have allowed onto the map and allowed to remain on the map.

    The percentage who willfully add coal to try and get M0aR stops is very low in my experience.

  • AlexMTG-PGOAlexMTG-PGO Posts: 277 ✭✭✭

    Completely agree with you that this is gonna lead to less coal submissions. Seems like a good thing. Even with the first consequence being a warning, a lot of players are still acting like they weren't expecting their consequences. Maybe on the front end of things the Wayfarer training could be revamped to help inform players that submitting blatantly awful nominations could lead to these consequences - no one should be surprised with a suspension.

  • The26thDoctor-PGOThe26thDoctor-PGO Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Assuming it all runs smoothly...

    Less reviews but less submissions I guess.

    That would mean more time for Niantic to clean up the map?

    I have 7 memorial benches, 3 Wayspots on private property, 4 incorrectly placed and 1 on a school when they are ready.

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