What is going on with recent results, people using bots or did niantic change something?
SolisFang-ING
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I got 16 results this week, most of them are rejected. Normally the waiting period for submissions from this area, without any event is 6 months to 1.5 years, getting 16 results in 4 days has never happened in last 6-7 years.
4 of them are marked as "fake", temples visible in satellite view /street view....FAKE.
Few examples 👇🏼
Library: "pedestrian access"
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Cricket turf: " Nature feature"
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Playground set:
in park (visible in street view)
"inappropriate location" + " Natural feature"
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Inauguration plaque of the park:
(with park name and address, park which is clearly visible in satellite view) "Fake"
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Now I'm seeing reports of game accounts getting banned for making submissions which are marked as fake.
300+ of my nominations are live on map right now & I can give proof of their existence for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM
I'm 90% sure some people here in India are using bots for review.
Did I miss something ... I don't know what has changed recently but definitely something weird is going on.
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If possible,
I would like niantic to look into my nominations which are marked as fake recently.
I can't resubmit those nominations, I live 300km away from that location & I get a chance to go there only once or twice (if I'm lucky) in one year.
(Please let me know if it is allowed/possible to look into my nominations manually. I'll share those nominations in comments)
I don't want my account to get banned because of some Wayfarer bots.
Comments
@NianticAaron @NianThib @NianThib @NianThib @NianticOren @NianThib @NianticRN @NianThib help
No need to mention @NianThib multiple times. Depends on your rejected nominations, you can report the reviewers marking yours as fake instead—and have them suspended.
They were probably auto-rejected by AI. If you share your nominations, we can try to guess what AI saw as bad with them.
Most of the AI flags are duplicates. Maybe someone else's nomination came thru before yours.
I'm the only one who plays in that small town 🥲
Sorry I posted this from a mobile device in the morning & I don't know how "Thib" is tagged multiple times
@SolisFang-ING there is a forum bug when you go to choose the tag you click on the correct one but it defaults to another.
@NianticAaron 2 more temples rejected as "fake"
For one temple 360 is available & the another one is clearly visible in satellite view.
I don't know if niantic has trained any bot for reviewing nominations, if they're using bots then I'm sorry to report that the "bot" is not doing a great job at reviewing nominations in any language other than English & I don't think it is a good idea to let bots handle things especially in India where you'll get nominations in 10-20 different languages / English +regional languages..
ALL nominations go thru the AI check to weed out coal and duplicates, before they go to human voters. It makes no difference where you are.
So I can get banned for submitting nominations because some bot decided everything I'm submitting is "Fake"
I've been submitting nominations for 5 years, I don't know how the Wayfarer has gotten worse over last few years, even after having things like ambassadors programs & better technology etc.
Old Wayfarer was not perfect but atleast it wasn't as bad as the current thing.
"It makes no difference where you are."
It definitely makes a difference when that AI check keeps marking everything as fake because it doesn't understand regional languages.
For example
"XYZ Temple" ✅
"XYZ Mandir" ❌
Both are the same, some names in different languages are automatically considered as "offensive" when you type them in English.
Margarittdville confused you. She is not right at all, if you see a rejection reason on the wayfarer website, that means the AI of Niantic did not reject your nomination.
A recent talk with @NianticTintino-ING has revealed that Niantic refuses to investigate reviewers for random rejections.
Your only chance of getting something accepted, is to use 1 appeal every 30 days.
@kawin240-ING OP said "I'm the only one who plays in that small town," and I replied that ALL nominations go thru the AI to look for obvious rejects. I never said anything about banning. I don't think one of any error causes a ban - it takes a LOT of blatant cheating.
You're agreeing that rural areas don't go thru AI? Why would Niantic spend the money to train AI for reviewing nominations, then only use it in some locations? As I said, I believe ALL nominations go thru the AI to look for obvious rejects.
@kawin240-ING
A recent talk with @NianticTintino-ING has revealed that Niantic refuses to investigate reviewers for random rejections.
Just some clarification here. Is "random rejections" in reference to reviewers rejecting a nomination that some claim is unfair or even wrong, or is this in reference to when reviewers seemingly pick a random reason that doesn't apply to the nomination even when the rejection is fair and correct?
We're talking about stuff like trail markers in Italy being rejected for Pedestrian Access.
And lately India has seen very weird reviews. It's not the first post on here.
There is more, but I'll keep it short.
A few times it was possible to report those in Help Chat, but they started to just give a precanned responses that they have anti-reviewer abuse methods. They don't have those, otherwise Netherlands would have never happened that much, or the rejection abuse waves Germany has seen as lately as this year, for the 2nd time within a year.
I'm not surprised that Niantic shut down the help chat vector sooner after some individuals started exploiting it to report every one of their rejected nominations. But I'm interested because one is simply a difference of opinion on how the eligibility criteria should be interpreted. We too often see calls to "punish" reviewers because they disagree with a specific interpretation of the criteria. The other is more of a problem as it provides misinformation about why a nomination was rejected.
if you see a rejection reason on the wayfarer website, that means the AI of Niantic did not reject your nomination
I'm 99% sure they were rejected by an AI because usually my nominations take more than year to get results without any upgrade or event.
That is no indication of AI review. Some areas have very slow decisions due to queues, reviewer number, and other factors.