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Stink pipes?
Lensington1-PGO
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I seem to get. Lot of nominations for Victorian Stink pipes. For anyone who doesn’t know, it is a tall thin pipe that leads up from the sewers that back in the old days used to let out the stench high in the air to give people some relief.
I have seen several already as waypoints... Are they indeed valid? They don’t look impressive at all but there is some history there.
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silverkali-ING
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I've favourably reviewed some where they've had good photos and good write ups because it is an interesting historical oddity.
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I accept them, assuming good description and photograph. There isn't a ruling/guidance on every last object so I have to use my best judgement. I'd say they are a nice piece of history. Not sure if some would count as a mass produced object. I've not done any real research on them myself as there are none where I live.
What criteria would they meet? They sound like generic infrastructure, albeit somewhat old and maybe historic.
Unless decorated or with some sort of historic information I don't see why they could be acceptable.
I could swear I read a previous discussion on these but I can't seem to find it. It may have been on reddit. I know nothing of them personally, and I don't really remember what people said about them.
Theres a few threads on the wayfarer reddit
@gazzas89-PGO actually started this one
Anyone know what the thoughts are on Victorian stink pipes?
https://www.reddit.com/r/NianticWayfarer/comments/erh1xo/anyone_know_what_the_thoughts_are_on_victorian/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I think they're one of those things that's very grey - I've had one to review where the submitter had done a really good job on the description - foundry, when it was installed, when it ceased to be used, why they were used, only survivor in the town etc. that I felt they'd met the
Locations with a cool story, a place in history, or educational valuecriteria - anyone visiting the waypoint would have been truly informed about it and it's part in the town's history. Others I've had to review submitters have done little more than say 'old stinkpipe' and I've graded them low.Okay, people disagreed with me on this but those people apparently aren't willing to engage with me and explain why they disagree? If I'm wrong on this, tell me because unless you inform me I'll keep on being wrong. I always want to get better at reviewing.
EDIT: Looking further into the topic, stink pipes are apparently NOT mass produced objects Indeed, some are quite ornate. There were an array of different manufacturers, each with different takes on the stinky problem.
If you check out this person's blog, the so-called 'Stink-pipe Collector', there is a huge variety of stink-pipe designs: http://stinkpipes.blogspot.com/
In this forum, the dislike button often seems to be shorthand for "You make a solid argument that I can't refute, but I still don't want it to be true so I reject your reasoning anyway and will continue to stubbornly insist in the face of all logic that I'm still right".
I had no idea that these even existed before reading this thread, but they sound like a really interesting piece of history. I'd be inclined to rate one fairly high if I came across it and it was in good shape.
So true on the first paragraph.
I should also add that stink pipes do not exist in large parts of the UK (unlike post boxes). I had never encountered a single stink pipe until I started playing Pokémon GO in another town not far from me; I had no idea such things existed. I really appreciate whomever it was who submitted that initial stink pipe Wayspot I found and thus educated me.
I had never encountered a stink pipe until I started reviewing nominations either so I would guess they are only in some places in the UK and their history is quite interesting.
So... there are multiple parks in my area, built atop former landfills. These also have methane-releasing pipes, and most people passing by don't know what they are either until told.
How "old" do these have to be in order to be "historic" enough to be eligible wayspots?
I personally can't see the logic in accepting "stink pipes" without any other redeeming cultural features. "Old + Common" != "cultural"
The ones I always get to review are Victorian ones. This is another blog about them:
Apparently there are quite a few fanatics and the information given is very interesting. Still... I think between reviewers it is very much a matter of opinion and how much supporting information about that particular pipe the person who nominated it put in.
I did? Dint even remember it lol, though when I started reading this thread I actually thought "I'm sure I remember reading a thread on this" 🤣🤣
I've reviewed some, even in Glasgow, hut I've never actually seen one myself, or maybe I have but didnt notice what it was
Lol, I posted a comment in disagreement with "stink pipes" (why must they be called that???) in general, but I haven't "disagreed" with any comments in this discussion.
A "stink pipe" itself would not be eligible. Old does not equal historic, and historic does not (always) equal cultural. Some of the more especially ornate ones could maybe be eligible especially with (as noted) strong supporting descriptions and supplemental information about it. But it wouldn't be eligible simply for being a Victorian era stink pipe.
I've favourably reviewed some where they've had good photos and good write ups because it is an interesting historical oddity.
Not being from the UK I had mixed feelings when I started seeing these pop up.
Weirdly enough, stink pipes are pretty much the ONLY uk-based ones I get for review in belgium - people likely using upgrades on these for the extended review range with people unfamiliar with 'stink pipes' in them?
My own stink pipe nominations have been refused. I will keep trying though. They are not mass produced, each one is a little bit different even when by the same manufacturer. They can be unique locally, although are more common near the Thames. They are culturally and historically of interest. I also had no knowledge about them until I started Wayfarer. I think they should pass in most cases.
Almost every photo of a stink-pipe submission I see looks like a broken lamp-post, or a metal pole stuck in thre pavement. I cannot see they have any community or historic interest and mark accordingly.
It seems that every stink pipe is listed as "historic Victorian stink-pipe" yet said item appears in a 1950s estate build on the edge of what was probably a village prior to 1901.
Weird - they were only in use for about 50 years (1858 ish to the very early years of 20th Century).
I get the odd stink pipe on reviews as well and thought it was ridiculous, but a quick Google Search showed plenty of websites dedicated to them and loads of available images as well.
From what I can see, they do have some historic/cultural value @Gendgi-PGO , see for example what is being explained here: http://www.londonshoes.blog/2019/03/09/the-victorian-stink-pipes-of-old-london-town/
Just need to pay close attention when reviewing, because people have also nominated streetlights, cropped to make them appear as stink pipes.
I don’t like them personally and will usually skip if I can on those.
Many submitters submit lamps instead and claim them as stink pipes.