Upgraded nominations seem to nearly always get declined
SweetnSassy37-PGO
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I’ve had 5 upgrades now, 4 of which have been declined. One of them I thought was 50/50 so I’ll accept that.
But the latest 2 in particular have baffled me. One was for a National Cycle Network trail marker (located on a footpath). It was in queue, I upgraded it, less than 30 mins later it was rejected (which makes me think it was an AI rejection rather than voters). The other happened last night. It was a local traditional sweet shop. The only sweet shop in our small town, independently owned, great place to gather and chat whilst you waited, home made fudge, ice creams, milkshakes, etc. I thought it would be a great nomination. It got rejected after a few hours of moving from in queue to upgraded voting - reason given was title or description is inaccurate or offensive. I have attached photos to see if anyone else thinks this rejection is bogus, or if I’ve blatantly missed something obvious!
I’m starting to wonder if pushing nominations into upgrade just isn’t worth it?
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I’m betting someone read it as sweatshop.
Oh maybe…. Not sure what I can do if they misread it! Removing it from the title and description would make it an incorrect title/description, so I literally can’t win!
The NCN marker should be fine but they can still be hit and miss a lot of the time.
I think you would struggle to get the sweetshop accepted.
Even if it’s a unique, local shop though? It’s not a chain brand, it’s the only one in the whole town, possibly county in fact (very small county of just two towns and a handful of villages). It’s a great place to socialise, in my opinion. And unique shops are called out as fitting the explore criteria!
Looking at the title and description, you do not give any reasons why this sweetshop is anything but a generic business. Thus I would review it accordingly.
That wasn't a personal opinion :)
Everything is eligible and potentially acceptable. You would have to put in a bit of effort to convince reviewers that it should be on the map though and still might be met with rejections.
I didn’t share it here initially, but here is what I put in supplemental info (unnecessary to go into the description)
The sweetshop seems fine to me. I would appeal that one.
Or if you decide to resubmit, maybe include in the description that it’s an independently owned mom and pop joint with a bit of history if that’s available on their website.
Some reviewers really eat that up.
But the point was, it was rejected on the title and description as being either inaccurate or offensive - I can’t see what the issue is to correct it.
I think we cross posted - please can you look at the additional screenshot that I just shared and advise if you’d add anything different please?
Well, there seems to be an error with the rejection reasons right now. One or two reasons are being populated when something is rejected. Other threads in the forums have mentioned it.
Apparently it’s not showing what the real reason is for almost anyone.
I thought that had been fixed because they stopped the reasons altogether whilst it was incorrect?
I just seem to have real bad luck - most of my nominations are accepted through the standard process… but fast track them and they always get rejected. Literally this week I’ve had 8 nominations approved - and 2 rejected… the 2 rejected were the only ones upgraded!
TBH, I wouldn’t count on the errors being fixed.
The only thing I can think of for the title being inaccurate is maybe a few reviwers wanted Sweetshop to be two words: Sweet Shop.
That seems quite pedantic to me, but not unthinkable.
That’s a good shout actually - I don’t even know why I did that as one word. Like you say, a bit pedantic - it’s not as if you couldn’t identify the Wayspot from it!
the annoying thing is the nomination won’t even benefit me anyway - there’s already a pokestop in the cell it sits in, so it would be for the Ingress game if it goes anywhere (which I don’t play).
Out of that I can only see that it's Oakham's only sweet shop.
The other info could be applied to any shop. I can't see how it encourages socialising more than any other local businesses.
It won't show in Ingress
I personally wouldn't expend the time and effort but it's your call.
@SweetnSassy37-PGO
I agree with @The26thDoctor-PGO it is probably not worth the effort of trying to improve the sweet shop as it will be a hard sell and it won’t appear in Pokémon Go or ingress. That part of Oakham already is wayspot dense with 6 wayspots in that level 17 cell.
Could we see the NCN marker please.
I am also based in U.K. (Rutland is in my normal review area), and I am used to the vagaries of voting, and trail markers can go either way. Happy to try and help ensure that your trail marker stands the best possible chance of success.
I would have thought that Rutland has quite a quick turnaround anyway as it is generally a priority area so without an upgrade it should only take a few weeks.
Half of what you put in this supporting info, you should have put in the description. You need to sell things like sweetshops, they are at best 50/50 and if you aren't selling the **** out of it, then it will be 25% chance of passing
Genuine question - why does that go in description? I thought the description was optional and purely for what will be displayed. The supplemental info is for telling the reviewers why you think it should be a wayspot?
I am appreciating the feedback that maybe a sweet shop isn’t the best nomination, so maybe the was the issue - just wrong reason given. I’m just finding it odd that I get a higher rejection rate when upgraded, than any other nominations. I guess more local reviewers would know how unique something like this particular sweet shop is to the local area, than someone who lives in a big city where sweet shops are a dime a dozen.
This is useful to know - if it’s not going to help any players in either game, I might as well leave it! I don’t know how to find out Ingress stuff, and I thought they could have more in cells than PoGo, so it’s really handy to know if neither game will benefit!
Hi - nice to see someone else who knows the area. You’re right about turnaround - done stuff seems to go through really quickly. But I’ve got some older noms been sat for a few months now.
Here’s the trail marker - any advice to improve would be appreciated. There’s loads of trainers up that end of the town so I was trying to help them get a few spots so they don’t always have to go into town!
I googled the info about the trail and added that to the supplemental info. I can see a typo where I hit a z after the number 63, but can’t imagine that’s the reason. This is the one that was rejected in under 30 mins from upgrading - it was in queue before, so not previous votes that just needed 1 or 2 more!
I would be grateful for advice to improve this one, as it’s close to my friends house - her autistic son plays and I was really hoping to get him a pokestop that he could reach from home!
No worries.
This might help.
It doesn't show every single Wayspot but maybe about 95% so is usually fine for seeing other poi.
The description technically isn't needed but reviewers will give you a low rating if it's not there. Most reviewers would prefer a better description than support I think but a good support helps too with a good description.
There is a possibility that the AI rejected this one does the rejection email refer to community or team?
The sticker ones are subject to rejection more as they can be viewed as temporary, however I know they are designed to last for many years (10+) it also doesn’t have an arrow on it so again it’s not standing out.
pin short these are the hardest to get approved.,…..but not impossible.
Thank you for your insight as well as the link!
Thanks! I know that sticker has been on there for years - I’m pretty sure it was an AI rejection with how fast it was. I’ve had 2 others rejected by AI pretty much the moment they were submitted - one was for “ER Dance Academy” - I presume it’s an AI based on the US so assumed ER was obstructing emergency services as there’s no other reason I can think it wouldn’t have been sent to the community. As we don’t have ER in the UK (we have A&E) I can only presume it doesn’t account for that, and certainly wasn’t something I considered! I’m tempted to wait til I get an appeal to send it, as their AI needs to learn that sometimes things are just unfortunate initials!
if you get an email with a subject line of "Decision on you Wayfarer Nomination," that says "Unfortunately, our team found" in the boday, then it was an ai rejection
this is stunning to me that they have trained the ai to reject business logos when they sent me a nastygram for rejecting one: https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/239706/#Comment_239706
@cyndiepooh-ING would you resubmit changing the title (not that we should have to), or would you wait til you get a new appeal and use that?
Do you know if there’s a thread anywhere for things like this to help Niantic train the AI better?
I don't know of any thread to help train the ai. @Elijustrying-ING is an ambassador and I am sure will escalate this with Niantic. It was reported on the Wayfarer Discussion Discord that you can sometimes outsmart the ai by putting the nomination on immediate hold, then upgrading it when you are sure that your grace period is up (when it will go into voting immediately). If you don't know your grace period, 7 days is usually long enough to wait. I haven't used this strategy yet, so if you want to ask more questions, you may want to join the Discord group.
I personally would wait until I had an appeal to make it clear to Niantic that rejecting this was a mistake by the ai, but that is me.
You maybe don't mind but your screenshots include your profile pic @SweetnSassy37-PGO incase you want to crop them for future posts.
The reason the best information should go in the description is because unfortunately many reviewers do not read the supplemental information. And I think the reason upgrades get rejected more easily, especially for things like bakeries, coffee shop, restaurants, it’s because a wider range of people won’t know the local significance of a local shop. I usually only upgrade sports courts and playgrounds and a few other things.