Suburb Entrances: Eligible or No?
I've been seeing an influx of suburb entrance signs lately, and I truly would like to get a clarification on whether those are eligible or not. People have been passing them off as trail signs, or welcome signs, and my idea of a welcome sign was more of a city border sign that says "Welcome to Townsville" or something.
Thanks for the help, community!
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TheFarix-PGO Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
Welcome signs, entry signs, etc are not eligible unless they are historically or culturally significant. Examples of eligible signs are the Hollywood sign and the Los Vegas sign. Both of which are listed on historic registries.
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NianticCasey-ING Posts: 538 admin
Hey folks,
A couple of big things here before I answer the immediate question asked:
- Please keep discourse respectful. Name calling, in-fighting, game vs. game, etc. is not productive and it could get your community account suspended.
- It's important to note that, for many of these one-off questions, they won't 100% apply to other examples unless they're exactly the same. For example, an entrance gate and a suburb entrance might be the same, but they also might be different depending on the specific Wayspot.
With that being said, I echo @TheadorX-ING@ThaddeusHunt-PGO@TheFarix-PGO's answer: A plain old sign would only be eligible if it has artistic or cultural relevance. Looking back at the AMA archive, this is reinforced by the June 2018 question:
Q: Are welcome signs for townships, municipalities, boroughs, cities, and towns valid portal submissions?
A: NIA OPS says, “Only if they have any historical or cultural significance.”
Additionally, if these signs do meet the above criteria and are on private residential property, they would be ineligible. Thanks for the great question @TorqaL-PGO!
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Welcome signs, entry signs, etc are not eligible unless they are historically or culturally significant. Examples of eligible signs are the Hollywood sign and the Los Vegas sign. Both of which are listed on historic registries.
As follow on to this comment, here's two welcome signs I've had approved:
Boynton - culturally/historically relevant due to the Strickland family. The first Strickland baron of Boynton was the grandson of the William Strickland that introduced turkeys to Britain.
Bridlington - culturally/historically relevant due to the imagery. The monk is St. John Thweng of Bridlington, who was the Prior of an Augustinian Monastery in the town back in the 14th century. The lobster represents Brid's status as the Lobster Capital of Europe. The church is the Priory Church of St. Mary, which was the Augustinian Monastery, and so on.
I assume that if it has cool looking architecture then its also passable, but if it's just a bog standard street sign looking one or a "welcome to townsville" on a block wall that's rejectable
No. There should be a button to reject these automatically.
This was just decided on by casey. Yes they are allowed.
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/334/religious-shrines-statues-in-private-property/p1
NianticCasey-ING Posts: 48Niantic › admin March 30
Hi folks,
Let's keep things respectful please! As I previously mentioned, private residential property is 100% ineligible. The entrance to a private community (i.e. a gated community or something similar) is different in that it's not necessarily owned by an individual. That being said, you can still violate local laws if you attempt to access the Wayspot.
In this case, I would say that something like this would be acceptable, if its accessible without entering a restricted area, is uniquely decorated, or is an otherwise a notable monument.
The important bit being "If...is uniquely decorated, or is an otherwise notable monument" - 99% of suburb entrances fail on this.
No they don't. Compared to other local submissions they are unique and decorative for most locally. Visually they are easy to identify via the photo. Which in all games location is identifiable because of the photo. They would rather these be accepted than 2 tennis courts next to each other because distance between them.
Things on public property are allowed.
If those you generally review or submit are generally uniquely decorated or otherwise notable monuments then obviously you should pass them. Most of the suburb entrances I've had to review have been dull and generic - very plain signs or blocks with the suburb name on them and nothing more. If the sign is basically generic they clearly don't meet the criteria. It's the same with welcome signs to villages - I'd reject a plain aluminium sign that said 'Welcome to XXXXX twinned with YYYYY' but would probably pass a hand carved wooden sign that had been beautifully painted.
There was a link in the thread response. Might want to learn how they benefit communities.
Just being on public property however does not result in being valid.
@TorqaL-PGO :
Signs for suburbs and towns are acceptable, on public roads, as long as they're more decorative than simply the name. @NicoSolheim-ING's examples are good. A 'suburb' that is just a residential estate, or gated community is not acceptable though. It's the difference between a suburb that is declared on governmental maps, vs a name assigned by a developer for a small subdivision.
Yes, wayspots on public property are allowed if they meet criteria and have safe access.
If they don't meet criteria/have safe access, then they're not allowed.
They are a good counter to you and your cronies driving the narrative. I appreciate their efforts. Gabriel0332-PGO shine on you crazy diamond! You are the hero we deserve!
Nope, guess again! I am what I am and that's all that I am.
We are still in the gray area of what is unique and interesting. You seem to arguing that it should be Mona Lisa level unique while I argue that we should consider small town Iowa unique.
@Senmana-ING Isn't saying it should be Mona Lisa level unique but most of us can generally tell what's unique and what's mass produced.
I posted two examples of signs I've had approved in a comment further up in the thread, because both signs are unique on a visual level, and have links/references to the history and culture of those areas. I'll quote it for you down below:
I would agree with your examples. In a previous post the opinion was offered that only things like the Hollywood or Las Vegas signs were valid. Those are absolutely too high of a bar.
To be clear, Casey's comment you linked earlier was for shrines and monuments, NOT welcome signs. Please, stop with false equivalences.
@gabriel03221-PGO, it clearly said if it’s uniquely decorated or an otherwise notable monument. Please stop skipping these words as they add clarity to the statement on what is actually allowed.
No, he said "The entrance to a private community (i.e. a gated community or something similar) is different in that it's not necessarily owned by an individual. That being said, you can still violate local laws if you attempt to access the Wayspot.
In this case, I would say that something like this would be acceptable, if its accessible without entering a restricted area, is uniquely decorated, or is an otherwise a notable monument."
So, they have to be unique in their aesthetic/design, and accessible without breaking any laws regarding trespassing, but I've noticed you continue to misread what has been said anyway.
I think that he's confused or just doesn't understand the criteria properly, hence the misinformation and six-degrees-of-separation arguments.
I could, of course, be completely wrong.
To be clear. It was address as a community entrance with a link of what community entrances are....
Please stop skipping an entire thread as support to a response from Casey. It was clear in the thread what was being discussed.
Hi, @NianticCasey-ING, sorry to bother you on this fine day over something as trivial as this debate, but could you please weigh in and offer further clarification as pertaining to this particular thread?
@NianticCasey-ING You previously said yes in this thread. This was exactly what I discussing. Community entrances....
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/334/religious-shrines-statues-in-private-property/p1
Gabriel0322-PGO Posts: 511 ✭✭✭ March 30
NianticCasey-INGMar 27, 2020
Hi folks,
If a work of art, statue, etc. is on private property, it is ineligible. This includes if it's attached to a fence, wall, etc.
@NianticCasey-ING The entrance to a community is typically public property. The community association typically owns this area not the private residential property owners.