Abusive Submitter
Sunkast-PGO
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I have on numerous occasions reported nominations from this one submitter near my area. The majority of their nominations do not meet criteria in all categories. Mostly due to either the nomination not meeting any criteria. But also due to their supporting photo for their nomination ALWAYS being a photo of the ground. Their supporting photo NEVER includes the object they are nomination. Their supporting statement is ALWAYS along the lines of "another great stop for a stop." And in many cases, the supporting photo isn't anywhere near their nomination.
Here is the most recent example. The nomination is for a gaga ball pit at a church. While the nomination itself does meet criteria, their nomination photo is of a building that is 70 meters away from the gaga ball.
This is only 1 example of many. @NianticCasey-ING Can you please have the team look into this submitter?
The red arrow in the 2nd screenshot indicates where the supporting photo is taken in relation to the nomination. Considering I have seen the submitter do this with numerous nominations, it seems quite abusive and that the submitter is trying to influence reviewers by misleading them.
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Submitting something not eligible is not a case of abuse. Not every submitter takes times to read and understand all criteria/guidelines. The submitter wanted maybe to show that a parking is available nearby?
Abuse, according to Wayfarer rules are (https://niantic.helpshift.com/a/wayfarer/?l=en&p=web&s=requesting-wayspot-modification-or-removal&f=reporting-abuse-in-wayfarer):
Unless you think this is a case of "accounts with a history of spamming inappropriate nominations" : you may need to provide more supporting information against this submitter.
This does not seem like an abusive submitter.
As I stated, I have many more examples of nominations from this submitter that have a pattern of abuse. If Niantic would like more examples I am more than happy to supply them. I do not wish to spam the forum with examples.
I'm not asking for opinions from you or anybody else. This is an appeal to Niantic to look into this submitter with a history of nominations that have misleading supporting info.
I can not see anything abusive in this nominations. It seems that the wayspot is marked in its proper location. In some cases there is no supporting image needed. You can clearly see the location on the map. I agree that it is a bad supporting image. But the submitter only hurts himself with a bad supporting image. This nomination is clearly no abuse
The only abuse I can see is the first post in this thread. Or perhaps public harassment would be a better expression.
Lots of people submit poor supporting infomation photos, mainly because the Pokemon Go submission advices mentions "safe pedestrian access" so we see lots and lots of photos like this of footpaths or sidewalks or pavements. It's not "Abuse", and I don't see anything in the submission that I would consider as Abuse. Perhaps the submitter needs to improve his nominations, but thats it.
This is just someone that is submitting poor nominations or is confused on how to properly fit the requested criteria.
An abusive person would be doing something malicious. This person would be better remedied with a tutorial than punishment.
You mean like submitting the same ineligible nomination 5 times?
@NianticCasey-ING can you please look into this. The submitter keeps spamming the same nomination that does not meet any criteria. This is not a bridge. It is not part of the Linear Trail/Path. There is no trail marker. There is no trail head. The submitter has a history of poor quality nominations.
la verdad hay agentes que solo ven el beneficio de ellos y se ponen de acuerdo para desacreditar a reclutas que recien empiezan la verdad hay muchas pokeparadas que no deberian ser pokeparadas pero como ellos son mas pues mayoria gana como dice el dicho hago un llamado para que sea el propio niantic quien corrobore y admita o niegue las pokeparadas espero no tener problemas con los agentes de mi ciudad por hacer publico esto
My Home location is set nearby so I'm forced to review these nominations. At first, I laughed at a few, rated then appropriately (sometimes meaning voting overall to accept a trail marker titled "trail Sighn," described "sighn on the trail") and sometimes rejecting for not meeting criteria. Now I feel bad for the local area who also must be frustrated at having to make future edits to fix errors.
I doubt I have screenshots but this is the 3rd or 4th time I've reviewed this.
It is not a "half bridge," it's a fence along a sidewalk.
https://niantic.helpshift.com/a/wayfarer/?s=wayspot-eligibility&f=rejection-criteria&p=web
Other type of abuse
Any other type of abuse that you feel is not in keeping with the spirit of Wayfarer’s mission to create the most interesting, family-friendly, and accurate representation of the real-world.
I feel this, and many other of the nominations that I have reviewed in the Lapeer area, have been abusive. This has been submitted several times and potentially falls under abuse outlined here:
https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/criteria#guidelines
Nominations submitted by accounts with a history of spamming inappropriate nominations
If we believe you are spamming nominations inappropriately, you will receive a warning and may lose nomination privileges for repeat offenses.
The very first post of it gaga pit is considered an abusive location per the first guideline link I provided.
Abusive location
Locations that are intentionally and strategically placed to provide advantage to a single player or collective group. Or location edits that attempt to move the Wayspot away from the object with which it’s associated (for example, moving the Wayspot to a different city/country or moving it to a more convenient location).
I'm not calling for this person to be stopped or punished in any way - that's not my call to make. I would appreciate @NianticCasey-ING, @NianticEG, or @NianticAaron to confirm they actually look into these reports and the history tied to the person making the nominations as any one of these abuse reports would not look like a problem until you see them all together.
Thanks for reading.
@NianticAaron @NianticCasey-ING @NianticEG
Here is yet another nomination from this same submitter. His pin placement for this nomination is Is 75 meters from where the gazebo is located. He is intentionally misplacing the location of his nominations to mislead reviewers.
@NianticCasey-ING Is this abuse yet? How many submissions does someone need to make where the supporting photo is no where near the object being nominated is considered abuse? The supporting photo is at least 30 meters away from the basketball court. This is intentionally misleading reviewers of the location.
That is a waste of a supporting photo. How ever in that situation you dont exactly need a supporting photo to show pedestrian access. Its a basketball court so it obviously has safe access.
Thanks for flagging, @Sunkast-PGO! We have reviewed the report and have taken action on the Wayspots and Wayfinders in accordance with our policies. Thank you!
Thanks @NianticEG . But maybe have the team do another look at this Wayfinder's nominations more closely. I'm still getting nominations from him where the location is no where near the object being nominated. The supporting photo is about 20 meters away from the gaga ball pit that is being nominated.
Also would it not be submitter identifiable due to the fact that ALL of their nominations have a supporting photo that is a parking lot or side walk? I can easily pick out this Wayfinder's nomination solely based on the supporting photo. Their supporting statement is also always nearly identical and never provides anything relevant to their actual nomination. Every nomination from them has a supporting statement of "another good spot."
@NianticCasey-ING @NianticEG Here is yet another one from this same Wayfinder that I came across tonight. I don't see how a supporting photo of a parking lot that is at least 10 meters away from the nomination and can't even be seen in the main photo or vice versa is helpful to reviewers. It is again intentionally misleading the reviewers. And yet again, the supporting statement is mostly just "good spot for stop." Their supporting photo and statement never help and are often misleading of the location of the nomination.
I dont see how that is abusive what so ever. The reason why a lot of pokemon go players take a picture of a sidewalk is because it stresses pedestrian access to them. Was there supporting photo very helpful? Not in this case it doesnt show both. But being 10m away from the poi does not mean its abuse. Same with above with the ball pit. Is it a helpful photo no not in this case but i wouldnt classify that as abuse either. If they would of backed up another 20m and took a picture of the ball pit with the sidewalk it would be a fine submission.
I would see if you can find out who the submitter is and see if you can train them up on how to effectively submit a support photo. Most of what you have posted seems like good points of interest. For those good ones there really seems to not be any abuse, just lack of understanding on the requests made of the process.
Since I made this thread, this submitter has continued to submit nominations where the supporting photo is only of a sidewalk, usually no where near the object they nominating. Here is a prime example. They nominated the basketball court. But the supporting photo is of a sidewalk that is most likely next to the church building at least 50 meters away from the basketball court. And their supporting statement is just their usual nonsensical "good spot for stop" that they repeat in all of their nominations.
I hope everyone can recognize the main point: nominations should stand (or fall) on their own merits. This wayfarer’s signature nonsense is just as personally identifying as the NWC No Work Club. If people up-rate these because he’s one of us, it violates the rules.
As mentioned earlier by others, this isn't abuse, it's just a poorly trained people that are not conscious of how submissions should be best presented (including the supporting supporting statement). This is incredibly common unfortunately.
The "Show the Surrounding Area" part of the nomination does show how the supporting photo should be taken in the graphic, but the text only says "Submit an additional photo of the area surrounding your nomination. This will help reviewers determine whether the Pokéstop location is safe and there is enough space for Trainers to play." This is simply poor foresight from Niantic, the players are literally doing what they are told "take a photo of the surrounding area showing safe access", so they take a photo of the footpath. Unfortunately this doesn't help reviewers at all and is mostly useless. The instruction should be "take a photo of the nomination showing safe access" or something similar so that the instructions indicate to include the nomination in the supporting photo and the area around it to help verify its location and access.
Showing a sidewalk thatvis nowhere near the nomination is deceiving and abuse
Can you prove that these are intentionally deceptive? If so, then that could be considered abusive. If not, then it's just lazy/stupid submitting. Or if you can't prove either option, then no such claims can be made.
If you would like to paint the ten's of thousands of nominations with the exact same style of supporting photo and statement around the world under the same light, then perhaps you will assume that there is a super-massive cabal of abusers all around the world secretly working together to provide terrible supporting photos. It would be like the Illuminati for Dummies.
Not defending the terrible supporting photos and statements, but given how prevalent it is around the world, the issue is clearly people are following Niantic's poor instructions and to that end, what they have provided is correct. It's just useless to the reviewers.
Lazy is turning around arount 180 degrees and snapping a useless photo, abuse is walking 20-80 yards to the nearest sidewalk and snapping a photo of it
Hanlon's razor states "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".
That's not abuse if they are just clueless about how to do a good nominations. Yes I hate it when submitters do that, but if you know that person, maybe you could help them get better instead of saying it's abuse?
That's the problem, we cannot help the submitters as we don't know who they are.
When you type a message with your review (possible with both accepts and rejects) this message is going nowhere.
If it were to end up in the submitters mailbox they could learn something from it (but they they should probably have somone to check on those messages to make sure no inappropriate messages are sent)
Yeah and getting a warning from Niantic will do the trick.
Even stupidity needs discipline sometimes, even if just a warning