Why are wayspots that are on the opposite side of the road consistently marked as duplicate?
TheRealZaphodB-PGO
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I have had 3 wayspots that are NOT duplicates of existing pokestops/gyms, and all of which are at least on the opposite side of a road from any other wayspot, rejected as duplicate. Why?
The first is Questhaven Park (I submitted the stop for where Google has the marker on maps), which is the other side of Questhaven from the Garden Trail Marker:
You can quite clearly see the park marked on Google Maps and the trailhead (the circle is where the marker is) on the other side of a divided road.
The existing stop is circled in red:
The second is the sculpture at San Elijo Town Center, which is the other side of the street from the Planter and also from the Clock Tower (which is a gym) and the wine bar.
There are NO stops on that entire block:
The rejected as duplicate stop is circled in red, the existing ones are in blue:
The Third is the Questhaven Trail marker, which is on the opposite side of a divided 4 lane road from the 10K marker, and also on a block where there are NO stops (in this case on either side of the street):
Once again, existing (showing all stops in the image) in blue, rejected in red.
It seems to me that these are being rejected by people who do not know the area at all, or there is some criteria I am unaware of.
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I briefly checked the last one. It's already a POI but won't appear in Pogo as it's in the same S2 cell as the other POI. Propably same with the other two.
It's easier to direct you to an outside source faq than trying to explain everything here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NianticWayfarer/wiki/pokestopnominations
Always check the ingress intel map before submitting. Like the above comment said about s2 cells. Just because its not in pokemon go doesnt mean it isnt a stop in ingress. If stops are too close together you wont see it in pokemon go but will in ingress.
Just a little addition. It's not your fault OP and sadly you're not the first or the last in this situation. The failure to show already existing waypoints is on Niantic's side.
Hopefully they'll finally do something about it now that the criteria is updated.
Also, this is not 100% true. There are some places that get accepted that don't even make it in Ingress. However, to check it in Ingress indeed increases the chances for you to be right about whether or not something exists already.
There are some that do get accepted that don’t make it into ingress due to the fact of spacing. Even if you get some poi’s accepted there is still the 20m spacing between poi’s so if your poi is still too close to another it wont show in any game.
If it doesn't show up in Ingress, it doesn't show up in any game. The only exceptions are sponsored locations, and those are game specific.
Exactly, that is what I meant indeed
I checked the S2 cells. Only the Questhaven trail marker is in an S2 cell that has another POI. The other two are in S2 cells with no POI.
These POIs have been rejected as duplicates, not accepted and not showing up.
The only one sharing an S2 cell is the Questhaven trail marker.
AFAIK, if it's marked "duplicate" in my nominations list, a reviewer marked it duplicate, or am I missing something?
Do they not show all existing waypoints in wayfarer? I'm seeing the denials as duplicates in my Wayfarer nominations list on the web.
Well, enough reviewers thought your submissions were duplicates of an existing POI and marked them as such, thats why you got that message on your screen.
Wayfairer shows any poi’s that are there. If its in ingress intel map it’ll be on the wayfairer spot. If your nomination very closely resembles another poi close by you’ll have to add into supporting info and picture to prove other wise.
The question is, why? I posted detailed information showing that they are not dupes at all. Only one even shares an S2 cell with another POI.
The pictures are pretty clearly of a very different POI in the submission. As I also pointed out, all of these are on opposite sides of roads from ANY nearby POI, and all of them are the only POI submission on their respective street blocks.
Only one of them is in the same S2 cell as an existing POI, but that isn't a reason to mark "Duplicate" but rather a reason why it would not show up in game.
I'm really trying to understand if I did anything wrong here, or if I'm just on the wrong side of some reviewers who spam duplicate any time they see something even close on the dupe map.
Are you using Ingress Intel map (better with IITC plugin) or something else? Double checked and those pois exist and share a cell with other pois.
I'm going to post 3 screenshots from IITC, but in a different message. Pictures go through moderation.
Using a different map, but isn't "duplicate" in wayfarer different than sharing a cell in any case?
All those pois exist already and can be seen by reviewers, but not visible for Pogo nominators.
You can't use other map if you want to know all the data. Only Intel/IITC can show you all the existing wayspots.
Could you show us a picture of the other stop thats in the area that your getting rejected for? Possibly if they are extremely similar that could be why :). If they aren’t id try re submitting and hoping for the best. Sometimes submitting isnt an exact science :/
Why are wayspots that are on the opposite side of the road consistently marked as duplicate?
Answer: Because they are POIs already, they will show up as present on any reviewers screen and should be marked as "Duplicate", which it seems they are. The reviewers are doing the correct thing.
@TheRealZaphodB-PGO you have a possibility to make location edits to make some of the pois to appear in Pogo.
Garden Trailhead is slightly off. Make a location edit to the top of the object in the center of the "ring"? Make sure the new point crosses the cell line.
Questhaven Park sign is in the northern entrance, yes? Ingress portal should now have also your photo, side effect of duplicate decision.
1) Create an Ingress account and make your photo the one to appear in portal. With thumb up function.
2) Make a over 10 m location edit using this form
You might also want to check if the Chandelier portal is in the correct location. The Sky Leaf sculpture is just on the wrong side of cell line, but it's accurate.
Clearly I'm missing some tools. The only things I am aware of are this website and the submission option in PoGo. I don't play Ingress. What apps should I be using to appeal/edit POIs I submit?
With Ingress account and IITC you can see existing Waypoints. You can find more info from the link in my first message.
Location edit not available for Pogo in your country yet? If so, sorry. My mistake, it's available here (under 10 meters).
For location edits over 10 meters, you can use the form in the previous message. NianticCasey's announcement of it here
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/7174/process-change-requesting-location-edits-10m
you cannot get POIs from full s2 cells anymore. I just got one accepted last weekend and there is still no stop comming...
I don't understand your sentence.
The current situation above; 3 pois in 1 cell.
Situation if both edits were accepted; 3 pois in 3 different cells.