Improperly Oriented Wayspot Photo?
In the new guidelines https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/criteria#rejection, under "ineligible photo", at the end of the sentence it says that photos that are "improperly oriented" should be rejected.
What does that mean? What is "improper"? Is landscape or portrait orientation the "proper" one? Or is photo orientation only an issue if it is "slanted"?
I found this info on photos, under Criteria - Content Guidelines - Photo Guidelines https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/criteria#guidelines :
Don't submit images that are of the following (they should be rejected):
- Sideways or upside down photos
Sideways to me means "landscape" orientation, but it doesn't feel right to reject a great submission with a nice photo if it was taken in a landscape format. Is that really the expectation?
Thank you for your input.
If you for example take a photo of an information sign but the sign is diagonal or the wrong way. So everything that is not correctly photographed.
Oh, thank you, I understand now! I may have been overthinking this LOL
Both "landscape" and "portrait" orientations are fine, regardless of the orientation of the original POI.
There are a weirdly large number of reviewers who will be overly critical of your "composition", such as if you either:
And my personal experience is, there are a LOT of reviewers who do not understand what "perspective" is. Sometimes you cannot stand directly in front of the POI, and so the view has the nearer part bigger and the farther part smaller. And then the reviewers reject it claiming it is a bad orientation.
@NianticCasey-ING Could you please confirm this criteria?
Are landscape photos valid or not?
Of course that they are valid, as long as the "horizon" is mostly an horizontal line your photo is fine.
If you take a photo and it appears turned 90º then it's wrong.
I agree with you. I just wanted official confirmation because many people are rejecting landscape photos lately because they think that those photos display a wrong orientation.
I don't agree with 0X00FF00-ING comment that only "landscape" and "portrait" orientations are OK
I am an amateur programmer and to express the depth of a road for example, you should not use "landscape" or "portrait" orientations
I refuse to take bad picture from the professional point of view to meet Niantic criteria :)
What? There seems to be some misunderstanding here. "Landscape" refers to any photo that is wider than it is tall. "Portrait" refers to any photo that is taller than it is wide. That is all. (And square photos are also acceptable.)
On the other hand, I'm now having a cognitive-dissonance moment, trying to imagine a photo for a POI where it is not pictured with a level frame of reference, such that it would successfully pass through reviewers' voting.
*obviously nobody should be submitting a "road" regardless of its photo's composition.
Not every question needs clarifications from Niantic - that's also where we end up with situations where we have hundreds of, sometimes contradicting, "clarifications" spread across the forum that not everyone sees.
This section highlights "photo guidelines" that may help: https://niantic.helpshift.com/a/wayfarer/?s=how-to-review-wayspots&f=photo-guidelines&p=all
As you already noted, improper "orientation is" is a rejection criteria, (#5 https://niantic.helpshift.com/a/wayfarer/?s=wayspot-eligibility&f=rejection-criteria&l=en&p=web) but that means if it is oriented in a manner that obscures the object.
I've done hundreds of nominations, mostly in "portrait" composition. Over the last summer, a friend of mine began making nominations primarily in "landscape." I've appreciated how they look and actually make a much bigger effort since then to improve my photos, when possible, and have been very pleased with how better certain nominations look when in landscape. You can also fit much more of the surrounding area, which is extremely helpful for verifying the location when Satellite isn't clear.
Yes of course they are valid why do you need confirmation 😂. By orientation it means does the nomination face the right way up. So if the sign or nomination is upside down then obviously its orientation is incorrect. If its landscape/portait but faces correctly up and down its fine
@Gendgi-PGO @Jtronmoore-PGO We know. We are actually on your side. We think is totally unnecesary to confirm the orientation criteria about landscape photos because that's out the question.
However a friend of ours is having trouble with this particular mexican wayfarer group. They are rejecting every nomination that has a landscape photo as main photo. And they are instructing every new member in that group to do the same. So you can imagine what kind of chaos they are creating with this. People going to red, a lot of rejections of good proposals.
And that's not really the bad part. They say that they are reviewing under Niantic's criteria. Can you imagine?
They think that a "Sideways Photo" means "Landscape Photo". They really lack in reading comprehension.
Our friend literally gave them links to Niantic Criteria Webpage and He even shared this thread to explain them that portrait and landscape photos are both ok. But this group is really stubborn.
That's why that question was asked. So they can see what everybody here says.
I was aware I was going to look like a fool asking that. But it was for a good reason 😓
I just got an update on that matter.
The more avid person to reject landscape photos in that mexican wayfarer group says that he read all comments on this post but he also says that we are only simple players and not Niantic employees.
He contacted Niantic's Support to ask the question about landscape photos trough this page (So I am guessing he contacted Niantic trough in-game support or something like that):
He ends saying that once he gets the answer he will prove that we all are wrong because we are misinterpreting Niantic's rules and we should reject landscape photos.
Yeah.....I know.... ha ha ha
Where does get off by saying to reject photos in landscape mode? No where has Niantic ever stated such a thing.
This criteria clarification is, as many people have pointed out, in reference to photos that are uploaded with an orientation that doesn't match the photo. So for example, a photo taken in landscape uploaded with portrait orientation. This can also apply to photos that are tilted or askew.
Very important that you shouldn't just outright reject a photo because it is uploaded in one orientation or the other unless the quality of the photos is impacted.
Nowhere, that´s why a few of us brougth the subject to this forum to demonstrate those bad reviewers that they are reviewing wrongly.
So he was making up his own rule whole cloth and trying to force others into following along.
Thank you @NianticCasey-ING 😀
I presume that the tilt are the more overexaggerated ones where it is clear the nominator is deliberately holding the camera at an angle instead of trying to hold it level as best they can. I've had more than my fair share of images of building where, despite my best efforts, I still had a sight clockwise tilt. This was particularly noticeable when trying to fame a tall building. For example, this image I took of The Attar Center which I took several times before finally getting one that wasn't too excessive.
Even if I went with one of the earlier photos, it would still have been acceptable.
Oh, and here is one of the county courthouse across the street, which is in landscape. ;P
Those are still 100% fine photos in mine and im sure many reviewer’s eyes. Its mainly if the whole building in this example is sideways/not upright
Correct @TheFarix-PGO and @Jtronmoore-PGO! The whole guideline is whether the overall quality of the photo is affected by the angle, rotation, etc. Both of the examples provided are acceptable!
I exclusively upload photos in landscape nowadays. They:
In an ideal horizontal photo the red circle is what it would look like as a Pokestop, as well as the settlement image in Catan. In Ingress it will display the horizontal image when you're on the portal's resonator screen.
If you tried to do it with say, the Sydney Tower:
You'd get this:
Not the most flattering image. While the Sydney tower's photo is indeed very tall and is an extreme example, the template will attempt to centre itself on a vertical photo and do as above. Some food for thought.