Thank you my friend, I am also happy to see different approaches and especially those who try to be objective despite everything that is happening around.
Totally agree with you that the final goal of most players is to do good and not bad. We all can get too emotional sometimes because of the game / community (which shows that we care), but we have to remember that reality is different from the virtual (and amazing) world of the pokemons, and if someone must get upset about something - it better be about raiding 50 Dialgas until the shiny one (and btw, where is my d#$% red Cranidos ?!!)
Wonderful words from your side, I also wish good and quiet night to every trainer out there.
Not defaming anyone, they're defaming themselves. But this is the 5TH report!!! I'm sure you would be frustrated if the universal welcome sign kept popping up 5 times from the same submitter and that submitter targeted you and threatened you.
Did you miss the part where they are accusing the OP, making false statements and doxing his location that is irrelevant and needs no place in this forum?
Lets just set a few things straight SC2RFLOC-PGO, although I am fairly confident that you already know many of these things and are just someone's alt account based on you calling me "Andi" as well as some of your other statements, and the fact that you literally made your account on this forum to attack me and this thread. But nevertheless, lets clear the air for everyone to see.
I don't have any "grudge" against St. Cloud. Do I have negative feelings against the people who continue to abuse the system and attack me for it on this forum as if I am the bad guy? Yeah, I do, but at this point I think that's pretty understandable, as you all continue to **** me. My persistence in reporting St. Cloud doesn't have to do with that though, it has to do with two things:
St. Cloud is a known chronic/repeat/mass abuse location that no one else spearheads, so I end up doing it.
St. Cloud is within my review area and I frequently end up reviewing the abusive nominations that are in this area, which frequently and repeatedly brings the abuse to my attention.
I report abuse when I see it. Generally when abuse is discovered it is only 1 or 2 portals. This type of single location abuse is best reported via the abuse form or via an in-app report. Because those reports are not public, you don't see them. Trust me, there are plenty. You are not being singled out. The reason for the repeated reports in St. Cloud is because you guys just don't seem to learn your lesson like other places do.
I report abuse from all over. Some examples include Sarasota, New Smyrna Beach (twice), and the middle of the pacific ocean. But in addition to posts that I make, I have also helped others with unraveling abuse. There have been several other mass abuse cases reported on this forum where I was not the person to directly report it, but I was involved with uncovering or researching it. I am sure that there is abuse in other towns, however discovering abuse isn't always easy. If you are aware of any specific cases of abuse and you can provide the exact location for me to investigate, perhaps I will have a look. But I wont feel like you are being honest if Lebanon, MO isn't at the top of your list 😉
Another important distinction is that, just because I am the one who continues to report on St. Cloud, does not mean I am the only person involved. You all continue to harp on the fact that "I am not from there", but fail to realize that I am not working alone. There is a reason that people who are more local to the situation have stayed far away from it publicly - because of your local group's habit of harassment and threats of violence.
I'd like to take a second to circle back to one of your other claims, that supposedly "I have a grudge because I was kicked from your group". First off, why would I care about being kicked from a group of a place you claim that I have never been to? What would I have even done to have been kicked from it to have a grudge over? And secondly, if that was even true (its not), why was it that I wasn't kicked from any St. Cloud group (specifically and only their tiny Facebook group) until several weeks after I began reporting abuse in St. Cloud? Your accusations don't add up, and they don't add up because they aren't true. The funny part of the accusation is that quite a few St. Cloud people were rather upset when they found themselves being kicked from Wayfarer related groups as a result of their involvement with the abuse. Honestly your accusation feels more like a projection of your own frustrations rather than anything else.
I don't feel like I need to go in depth into why the wayspots at the preschool are invalid, as that has already been explained to you, but the important part about those wayspots is that the people submitting those stops not only know better, but they have already had invalid wayspots removed from that preschool and others similar to it around town. The people submitting things at that location know better, and are deliberately submitting ineligble nominations anyways. That is abuse.
If by some chance you are not an alt account of one of the implicated individuals directly involved in the abuse, and perhaps are a frustrated local, I will remind you that this abuse, and the removal of Pokestops in your town, continues to exist because the leaders of your local Pokemon Go community are encouraging and organizing this abuse. Your town will continue to be scrutinized as long as the abuse continues, and the abuse will likely continue as long as you all continue to put the same community leaders who are abusing the system up on a pedestal. When the abuse finally stops, people will stop investigating your town. Coming on this forum, harassing people, and arguing in favor of people who are blatantly gaming the system is not doing your town any favors, it only shows just how deep the problem is, and how further investigation is clearly needed. I wish you luck in solving the problems in your town, you desperately need it.
I want to add that I along others have forwarded reviews from St. Cloud that on the surface look innocent. Only problem is that they are 20m blocked (correctly placed)... Later to find out it was approved at a very far away, miles away. If that's not blatant abuse, I dk what is.
@LiveFreeorCatch-PGO The above comment will do you some good to read, although you have been commenting on my threads long enough that I think you are aware of the depth of the situations. I hear your calls for "unity" within the community, and I would love that too, however I really can't believe that you say those things with good faith given that you have personally offered my contact information to others on multiple occasions specifically for people to **** me. One example is below, I'm sure you will recognize that the person with the yellow name blocked out is you, given that the profile picture is your own dog. You don't get to come on here with the charade of neutrality and impartiality when you stir the pot and enable harassment behind closed doors. It would be very wise for you to keep your comments to yourself from now on.
To the Niantic employee(s) that will inevitably approve this post and look over this thread, feel free to reach out to me directly for uncensored screenshots and further proof that tie this user (and others) to direct harassment against me. Thanks.
I have a passion in this game just as you do. I am open to conversations and I was just stating a fact. I do have opinions and views, and they do evolve and change over time. I have actually learned a lot here and have a applied many of what you and others have shared and now practice.
i really hope we can all move foreword and really come together. Passions are high and feelings are raw.
Here's a thought... These stops were put here so that I could continue to play.
I was very active in the game. Going out twice a day for three to four hours at a time. Then... life happened.
I was battered by my ex-husband and can no longer drive. I barely walk. They were put there so that I could continue to play at least a little bit. So yes, I will fight for the one gym and one Pokestop in my reach.
So my final thoughts... If they do not agree with standards, take them. I don't care anymore and it's just not worth it.
They were put there so that I could continue to play at least a little bit.
Thank you for admitting that you conspired with the abusers to get these stops put here. Really should make things easier for when Niantic investigates.
I didn't admit to conspiring about anything. I said they were put there for me. I mentioned in the group that I would be leaving the game because of my health. A few of them private messaged me and I told them why I was leaving. The next thing I know.... Poof, a gym and a stop.
Your personal life has got nothing to do with Wayfarer. God, I'm sure all reviewers here are as sick as I am of this kind of emotional manipulation. We see them in nominations all the time. "There's a disabled kid living here, accept this". "We can't play because of Covid lockdown, accept this". No. Stop.
If Niantic doesn’t take real action (and it’s already been six months!) on the main accounts and not just the alts (I 100% guarantee they have the data on who is benefitting from this fraud; those are the ones who are committing it), then this will be the tip of the spear. More and more areas will organize as St Cloud has done to turn the game to their personal convenience instead of the general welfare and Niantic will be completely out of control. There are plenty of people reading this thread and enjoying popcorn, and some of them are taking notes on how to do it for themselves, and how feeble the consequences have been for the others who have done it.
Why not express some empathy towards a player who may have been abused in the family?
I completely do not justify any abuse in the system, but it is allowed to show some feelings and pain for the other. I take into account that this may not be a true story (although I find it hard to believe why someone would lie about such a thing), but in any case i'm a reviewer here and i feel very sorry for this poor player. Again, that does not justify anything and it is up to Niantic to find out and fix any misuse of the system, but one can still show empathy and sorrow for the poor woman who went through such a terrible thing.. It's a game, we're not robots. I'm sorry if I sound emotional, but it hurts me a lot to hear about violence against women.
@SC2RFLOC-PGO My heart is with you. Feel good, recover and do not take anything too seriously. It's really just a game after all.
@2xTuna-PGO you are truly a good person and I wish you all the best We need more people like you in the world
Me on the other hand have never participated in any of the allegations that the OP has accused me of. If you want to use something I said 6 months ago or 1 years ago that is not where I am at this moment.
Last week a very dear friend of our community passed from a long battle with cancer. This person was very dear and important to our community and it was sad to see our friend suffer. I myself have been battling cancer and have started my third treatment of chemotherapy. I hope that this it will work but I am doubtful. I hope and pray no one has to go through the pain that I have been going through the past few year. Did I really want to put this out here, No. Do I know people will dislike my post and still accuse me of something I never did. Probably. However it puts a lot of things in perspective and this just a game. I stand by all my post on unity and understanding.
@AisforAndis-ING my openness to chat and move foreword will always be open while I’m still here on this earth. It appears you know who I am. The best way to build rapport and bridges is just to keep the lines of communication open and for someone to be at least be willing to listen.
i also hope that this post overall will finally bring closure from all parties.
I love you all and wish all of you (everyone) the best in life future and endeavors
The St. Cloud community has attacked every one of my posts, repeatedly lied to cover themselves, targeted me on social media, sent me **** threats, and has been actively participating in harassing me for the better part of 6 months. When yet another user joins this forum to attack me, as this user did, I don't really have much empathy for them. This person did not find this forum or this thread on their own, it is part of a concerted effort to delegitimatize my abuse reports.
If the person was truly the victim of domestic abuse they certainly have my condolences for that, but at the same time you would think that that life changing experience would inspire them to, ya know, not come online and join a coordinated harrassment effort against someone over a video game. Keep in mind that (assuming they aren't yet another alt account) this person came wielding personal attacks which they learned from others, and made false accusations against me. They learned these things and knew to say them because they are either in direct and extended communication with the abusers involved, many of which have already been banned from this forum for their extended abuse and harassment. They can claim that "they wished there was a stop near their house and 'poof' it just appeared", however their extended dialogue on this forum post paints a far different reality. This is not just a case of one angry person, this is part of a coordinated attack by angry bitter liars and cheaters who are willing to do or say just about anything to hold on to their precious abusive Pokestops.
Come on man, you really need to stop with the lies...
As recently as April 27th in one of my other St. Cloud abuse reports, you pretended to act like you did not know how to contact me off of this forum. That means one of two things. You were either lying then about not knowing how to contact me, or, your claim that your statements are "6 months old" are false. The reality is that the screenshot I showed in my previous comment was from late February, and your comment from April claiming you didn't know how to contact me was a lie - because you had been spreading around my contact information for months prior.
I will remind you that the screenshot I have already showed was just one of many similar instances perpetrated by you and others. For you to act like you have not done anything wrong is not only easily proven false, but also shows your continuance to lie to this day. You can act like you have some openness to chat, but you have had my contact information from the beginning and only choose to talk here because that is what benefits your efforts to delegitimize my reports, all while failing to actually engage in that "open conversation" that you so flaunt. Pivoting to your own cancer diagnosis for sympathy is something you already did in your very first forum comment, so I'm not sure why you're lying again and trying to act like you didn't want to put it out there since you put it out there from the very beginning.
Despite you encouraging people to **** me behind the scenes, you do seem like one of the most sensible people involved in the St. Cloud situation. Perhaps it would be good for you to do something that none of the other people involved have done, and quit while you're ahead.
Similar abuse is already happening, all over the place. I've experienced it personally (my own experience has been very similar to Andis', which is why I'm so interested in his posts on this continued case). People who keep track with what's happening on the Invalid Wayspot Appeal forum will also notice that obvious comments from alt accounts, and coordinated attacks from multiple users on a report thread, happen from time to time. I really do wonder if there's a worldwide Discord server where different abusers collaborate and share information and techniques. I have absolutely no doubt that there are people taking notes off this forum for their own use.
Niantic's responses to most if not all these cases have, extensively, been extremely lackluster.
Man, i'm loving this thread. @AisforAndis-ING i'm honestly sincerely sorry that i got so carried away in a previous post of yours, that lead it to getting closed. This is by far the BEST thread on this forum, with all the twists and turns and the dimension this has reached.
May you always continue to find abuse, and report it adequately. One can only hope Niantic collaborates with you in this, but i'm rooting for you man!
There are plenty of places online where people with illnesses or life difficulties can get virtual hugs and thoughts and prayers up the yin yang.
There is absolutely no justification for anybody playing these cards in an abuse thread on the Wayfarer Community.
Friends and supporters could have arranged permission to paint murals in public areas, or commissioned a dedication plaque if the stories are even true.
What did they do? Cheat, connive, conspire, troll, dox, harangue and then lie about it.
This entire thread and the St. Cloud abuse chronicle gives me a headache, and I'm sure it gives Niantic a headache as well. If reviewers spent the same amount of effort in time in collating this abuse by reviewing in this area and letting the weight of their diligent reviewing speak for themselves, these would not go through in the first instance.
If there is trend that people are creating and levelling up accounts to eventually be Wayfarer-worthy and vote up their own local nominations in that area, then perhaps that is the core issue worth looking into. To make it so easy to pass these abusive nominations and do the actions needed to get them approved so far away from their original location is the system's vulnerability.
I share the same sentiment with SilverLyra, I really do wonder if there really is an overencompassing Discord server that collaborate together with abuse. Chances are, there is. And by pushing the limits and boundaries through experimentation and observation and reading all these, it seems... easy enough to directly influence it with ease.
Responses are very much a slap on the wrist and a bandaid solution. Reverse a couple of weeks' work of abuse, back to tip-top shape in no time, business as usual. Reminds me of that thread where every wayspot was precisely placed in the middle of each individual cell somewhere in Asia.
Count myself in. I was once reported a cluster here in this forum and you guys probably know the rest.
Well @NianticGiffard , which card will you play now? Just closing this thread and taking little action to those abusers will only make this problem longer.
I'm going to be honest, it's only a headache if you CARE. Guess who's getting the headaches, and then try to guess the company that gets no headaches because the only thing they care about is money (and money cures headaches 😂).
@AisforAndis-ING I truly appreciate your dedication in maintaining the quality of Wayspots, we also understand the sentiment involved and thank everyone for sharing their opinion as well. Yes, this is a recurring event and we will take appropriate actions against Wayfinders for whoever is involved in this abuse (considering the screenshot AisforAndis shared).
Simultaneously, we would appreciate a civil conversation in each thread considering the 'differences in opinion' thing in mind. To avoid further toxicity, I would keep this thread closed until I write back with the verdict. Thanks for your understanding.
Hi @AisforAndis-ING! We have reviewed the report and have taken action on 5 Wayspots and 3 Wayfinders in accordance with our policies. While we are unable to discuss our actions in detail to protect the submitter’s privacy, they may include, but are not limited to, sending a warning message, placing restrictions on their Wayfarer, Pokémon GO, or Ingress account, putting their account on probation, or placing a temporary or permanent suspension on their Wayfarer, Pokémon GO or Ingress account. Thanks for helping us maintain the quality of the Wayspots.
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Thank you my friend, I am also happy to see different approaches and especially those who try to be objective despite everything that is happening around.
Totally agree with you that the final goal of most players is to do good and not bad. We all can get too emotional sometimes because of the game / community (which shows that we care), but we have to remember that reality is different from the virtual (and amazing) world of the pokemons, and if someone must get upset about something - it better be about raiding 50 Dialgas until the shiny one (and btw, where is my d#$% red Cranidos ?!!)
Wonderful words from your side, I also wish good and quiet night to every trainer out there.
Not defaming anyone, they're defaming themselves. But this is the 5TH report!!! I'm sure you would be frustrated if the universal welcome sign kept popping up 5 times from the same submitter and that submitter targeted you and threatened you.
Did you miss the part where they are accusing the OP, making false statements and doxing his location that is irrelevant and needs no place in this forum?
Lets just set a few things straight SC2RFLOC-PGO, although I am fairly confident that you already know many of these things and are just someone's alt account based on you calling me "Andi" as well as some of your other statements, and the fact that you literally made your account on this forum to attack me and this thread. But nevertheless, lets clear the air for everyone to see.
I don't have any "grudge" against St. Cloud. Do I have negative feelings against the people who continue to abuse the system and attack me for it on this forum as if I am the bad guy? Yeah, I do, but at this point I think that's pretty understandable, as you all continue to **** me. My persistence in reporting St. Cloud doesn't have to do with that though, it has to do with two things:
I report abuse when I see it. Generally when abuse is discovered it is only 1 or 2 portals. This type of single location abuse is best reported via the abuse form or via an in-app report. Because those reports are not public, you don't see them. Trust me, there are plenty. You are not being singled out. The reason for the repeated reports in St. Cloud is because you guys just don't seem to learn your lesson like other places do.
I report abuse from all over. Some examples include Sarasota, New Smyrna Beach (twice), and the middle of the pacific ocean. But in addition to posts that I make, I have also helped others with unraveling abuse. There have been several other mass abuse cases reported on this forum where I was not the person to directly report it, but I was involved with uncovering or researching it. I am sure that there is abuse in other towns, however discovering abuse isn't always easy. If you are aware of any specific cases of abuse and you can provide the exact location for me to investigate, perhaps I will have a look. But I wont feel like you are being honest if Lebanon, MO isn't at the top of your list 😉
Another important distinction is that, just because I am the one who continues to report on St. Cloud, does not mean I am the only person involved. You all continue to harp on the fact that "I am not from there", but fail to realize that I am not working alone. There is a reason that people who are more local to the situation have stayed far away from it publicly - because of your local group's habit of harassment and threats of violence.
I'd like to take a second to circle back to one of your other claims, that supposedly "I have a grudge because I was kicked from your group". First off, why would I care about being kicked from a group of a place you claim that I have never been to? What would I have even done to have been kicked from it to have a grudge over? And secondly, if that was even true (its not), why was it that I wasn't kicked from any St. Cloud group (specifically and only their tiny Facebook group) until several weeks after I began reporting abuse in St. Cloud? Your accusations don't add up, and they don't add up because they aren't true. The funny part of the accusation is that quite a few St. Cloud people were rather upset when they found themselves being kicked from Wayfarer related groups as a result of their involvement with the abuse. Honestly your accusation feels more like a projection of your own frustrations rather than anything else.
I don't feel like I need to go in depth into why the wayspots at the preschool are invalid, as that has already been explained to you, but the important part about those wayspots is that the people submitting those stops not only know better, but they have already had invalid wayspots removed from that preschool and others similar to it around town. The people submitting things at that location know better, and are deliberately submitting ineligble nominations anyways. That is abuse.
If by some chance you are not an alt account of one of the implicated individuals directly involved in the abuse, and perhaps are a frustrated local, I will remind you that this abuse, and the removal of Pokestops in your town, continues to exist because the leaders of your local Pokemon Go community are encouraging and organizing this abuse. Your town will continue to be scrutinized as long as the abuse continues, and the abuse will likely continue as long as you all continue to put the same community leaders who are abusing the system up on a pedestal. When the abuse finally stops, people will stop investigating your town. Coming on this forum, harassing people, and arguing in favor of people who are blatantly gaming the system is not doing your town any favors, it only shows just how deep the problem is, and how further investigation is clearly needed. I wish you luck in solving the problems in your town, you desperately need it.
I want to add that I along others have forwarded reviews from St. Cloud that on the surface look innocent. Only problem is that they are 20m blocked (correctly placed)... Later to find out it was approved at a very far away, miles away. If that's not blatant abuse, I dk what is.
@LiveFreeorCatch-PGO The above comment will do you some good to read, although you have been commenting on my threads long enough that I think you are aware of the depth of the situations. I hear your calls for "unity" within the community, and I would love that too, however I really can't believe that you say those things with good faith given that you have personally offered my contact information to others on multiple occasions specifically for people to **** me. One example is below, I'm sure you will recognize that the person with the yellow name blocked out is you, given that the profile picture is your own dog. You don't get to come on here with the charade of neutrality and impartiality when you stir the pot and enable harassment behind closed doors. It would be very wise for you to keep your comments to yourself from now on.
To the Niantic employee(s) that will inevitably approve this post and look over this thread, feel free to reach out to me directly for uncensored screenshots and further proof that tie this user (and others) to direct harassment against me. Thanks.
I have a passion in this game just as you do. I am open to conversations and I was just stating a fact. I do have opinions and views, and they do evolve and change over time. I have actually learned a lot here and have a applied many of what you and others have shared and now practice.
i really hope we can all move foreword and really come together. Passions are high and feelings are raw.
We can all do better
peace and love
Here's a thought... These stops were put here so that I could continue to play.
I was very active in the game. Going out twice a day for three to four hours at a time. Then... life happened.
I was battered by my ex-husband and can no longer drive. I barely walk. They were put there so that I could continue to play at least a little bit. So yes, I will fight for the one gym and one Pokestop in my reach.
So my final thoughts... If they do not agree with standards, take them. I don't care anymore and it's just not worth it.
It's a game not reality!!!
They were put there so that I could continue to play at least a little bit.
Thank you for admitting that you conspired with the abusers to get these stops put here. Really should make things easier for when Niantic investigates.
I didn't admit to conspiring about anything. I said they were put there for me. I mentioned in the group that I would be leaving the game because of my health. A few of them private messaged me and I told them why I was leaving. The next thing I know.... Poof, a gym and a stop.
While I am sorry for your circumstances, but that is no excuse to keep fake and invalid Wayspots or to **** and defame someone reporting them.
Your personal life has got nothing to do with Wayfarer. God, I'm sure all reviewers here are as sick as I am of this kind of emotional manipulation. We see them in nominations all the time. "There's a disabled kid living here, accept this". "We can't play because of Covid lockdown, accept this". No. Stop.
It IS a game, you're right. And games have rules.
If Niantic doesn’t take real action (and it’s already been six months!) on the main accounts and not just the alts (I 100% guarantee they have the data on who is benefitting from this fraud; those are the ones who are committing it), then this will be the tip of the spear. More and more areas will organize as St Cloud has done to turn the game to their personal convenience instead of the general welfare and Niantic will be completely out of control. There are plenty of people reading this thread and enjoying popcorn, and some of them are taking notes on how to do it for themselves, and how feeble the consequences have been for the others who have done it.
Why not express some empathy towards a player who may have been abused in the family?
I completely do not justify any abuse in the system, but it is allowed to show some feelings and pain for the other. I take into account that this may not be a true story (although I find it hard to believe why someone would lie about such a thing), but in any case i'm a reviewer here and i feel very sorry for this poor player. Again, that does not justify anything and it is up to Niantic to find out and fix any misuse of the system, but one can still show empathy and sorrow for the poor woman who went through such a terrible thing.. It's a game, we're not robots. I'm sorry if I sound emotional, but it hurts me a lot to hear about violence against women.
@SC2RFLOC-PGO My heart is with you. Feel good, recover and do not take anything too seriously. It's really just a game after all.
@2xTuna-PGO you are truly a good person and I wish you all the best We need more people like you in the world
Me on the other hand have never participated in any of the allegations that the OP has accused me of. If you want to use something I said 6 months ago or 1 years ago that is not where I am at this moment.
Last week a very dear friend of our community passed from a long battle with cancer. This person was very dear and important to our community and it was sad to see our friend suffer. I myself have been battling cancer and have started my third treatment of chemotherapy. I hope that this it will work but I am doubtful. I hope and pray no one has to go through the pain that I have been going through the past few year. Did I really want to put this out here, No. Do I know people will dislike my post and still accuse me of something I never did. Probably. However it puts a lot of things in perspective and this just a game. I stand by all my post on unity and understanding.
@AisforAndis-ING my openness to chat and move foreword will always be open while I’m still here on this earth. It appears you know who I am. The best way to build rapport and bridges is just to keep the lines of communication open and for someone to be at least be willing to listen.
i also hope that this post overall will finally bring closure from all parties.
I love you all and wish all of you (everyone) the best in life future and endeavors
The St. Cloud community has attacked every one of my posts, repeatedly lied to cover themselves, targeted me on social media, sent me **** threats, and has been actively participating in harassing me for the better part of 6 months. When yet another user joins this forum to attack me, as this user did, I don't really have much empathy for them. This person did not find this forum or this thread on their own, it is part of a concerted effort to delegitimatize my abuse reports.
If the person was truly the victim of domestic abuse they certainly have my condolences for that, but at the same time you would think that that life changing experience would inspire them to, ya know, not come online and join a coordinated harrassment effort against someone over a video game. Keep in mind that (assuming they aren't yet another alt account) this person came wielding personal attacks which they learned from others, and made false accusations against me. They learned these things and knew to say them because they are either in direct and extended communication with the abusers involved, many of which have already been banned from this forum for their extended abuse and harassment. They can claim that "they wished there was a stop near their house and 'poof' it just appeared", however their extended dialogue on this forum post paints a far different reality. This is not just a case of one angry person, this is part of a coordinated attack by angry bitter liars and cheaters who are willing to do or say just about anything to hold on to their precious abusive Pokestops.
I do not have empathy for such a person.
Come on man, you really need to stop with the lies...
As recently as April 27th in one of my other St. Cloud abuse reports, you pretended to act like you did not know how to contact me off of this forum. That means one of two things. You were either lying then about not knowing how to contact me, or, your claim that your statements are "6 months old" are false. The reality is that the screenshot I showed in my previous comment was from late February, and your comment from April claiming you didn't know how to contact me was a lie - because you had been spreading around my contact information for months prior.
I will remind you that the screenshot I have already showed was just one of many similar instances perpetrated by you and others. For you to act like you have not done anything wrong is not only easily proven false, but also shows your continuance to lie to this day. You can act like you have some openness to chat, but you have had my contact information from the beginning and only choose to talk here because that is what benefits your efforts to delegitimize my reports, all while failing to actually engage in that "open conversation" that you so flaunt. Pivoting to your own cancer diagnosis for sympathy is something you already did in your very first forum comment, so I'm not sure why you're lying again and trying to act like you didn't want to put it out there since you put it out there from the very beginning.
Despite you encouraging people to **** me behind the scenes, you do seem like one of the most sensible people involved in the St. Cloud situation. Perhaps it would be good for you to do something that none of the other people involved have done, and quit while you're ahead.
Similar abuse is already happening, all over the place. I've experienced it personally (my own experience has been very similar to Andis', which is why I'm so interested in his posts on this continued case). People who keep track with what's happening on the Invalid Wayspot Appeal forum will also notice that obvious comments from alt accounts, and coordinated attacks from multiple users on a report thread, happen from time to time. I really do wonder if there's a worldwide Discord server where different abusers collaborate and share information and techniques. I have absolutely no doubt that there are people taking notes off this forum for their own use.
Niantic's responses to most if not all these cases have, extensively, been extremely lackluster.
Man, i'm loving this thread. @AisforAndis-ING i'm honestly sincerely sorry that i got so carried away in a previous post of yours, that lead it to getting closed. This is by far the BEST thread on this forum, with all the twists and turns and the dimension this has reached.
May you always continue to find abuse, and report it adequately. One can only hope Niantic collaborates with you in this, but i'm rooting for you man!
There are plenty of places online where people with illnesses or life difficulties can get virtual hugs and thoughts and prayers up the yin yang.
There is absolutely no justification for anybody playing these cards in an abuse thread on the Wayfarer Community.
Friends and supporters could have arranged permission to paint murals in public areas, or commissioned a dedication plaque if the stories are even true.
What did they do? Cheat, connive, conspire, troll, dox, harangue and then lie about it.
This entire thread and the St. Cloud abuse chronicle gives me a headache, and I'm sure it gives Niantic a headache as well. If reviewers spent the same amount of effort in time in collating this abuse by reviewing in this area and letting the weight of their diligent reviewing speak for themselves, these would not go through in the first instance.
If there is trend that people are creating and levelling up accounts to eventually be Wayfarer-worthy and vote up their own local nominations in that area, then perhaps that is the core issue worth looking into. To make it so easy to pass these abusive nominations and do the actions needed to get them approved so far away from their original location is the system's vulnerability.
I share the same sentiment with SilverLyra, I really do wonder if there really is an overencompassing Discord server that collaborate together with abuse. Chances are, there is. And by pushing the limits and boundaries through experimentation and observation and reading all these, it seems... easy enough to directly influence it with ease.
Responses are very much a slap on the wrist and a bandaid solution. Reverse a couple of weeks' work of abuse, back to tip-top shape in no time, business as usual. Reminds me of that thread where every wayspot was precisely placed in the middle of each individual cell somewhere in Asia.
Count myself in. I was once reported a cluster here in this forum and you guys probably know the rest.
Well @NianticGiffard , which card will you play now? Just closing this thread and taking little action to those abusers will only make this problem longer.
I'm going to be honest, it's only a headache if you CARE. Guess who's getting the headaches, and then try to guess the company that gets no headaches because the only thing they care about is money (and money cures headaches 😂).
@AisforAndis-ING I truly appreciate your dedication in maintaining the quality of Wayspots, we also understand the sentiment involved and thank everyone for sharing their opinion as well. Yes, this is a recurring event and we will take appropriate actions against Wayfinders for whoever is involved in this abuse (considering the screenshot AisforAndis shared).
Simultaneously, we would appreciate a civil conversation in each thread considering the 'differences in opinion' thing in mind. To avoid further toxicity, I would keep this thread closed until I write back with the verdict. Thanks for your understanding.
Hi @AisforAndis-ING! We have reviewed the report and have taken action on 5 Wayspots and 3 Wayfinders in accordance with our policies. While we are unable to discuss our actions in detail to protect the submitter’s privacy, they may include, but are not limited to, sending a warning message, placing restrictions on their Wayfarer, Pokémon GO, or Ingress account, putting their account on probation, or placing a temporary or permanent suspension on their Wayfarer, Pokémon GO or Ingress account. Thanks for helping us maintain the quality of the Wayspots.