Players withdrawing nominations in protest
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There’s a Niantic game that had some changes lately in some regions to how they were before the worst of the pandemic, which has included changes to interactions with Waypoints, and some users haven’t liked them (even though they were told up front that these changes would be temporary). To the point where I have seen multiple posts across social media that users are withdrawing their nominations.
If you believe this has affected you this much, then please do withdraw your nominations and clear the queue for the rest of us.
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Agreed. These players have sunk to a new level of petulance. Absolutely pathetic and they do nothing at all to diminish the stereotype that this particular game title is for children and adults who behave like them.
Withdrawing nominations would mean very little to Niantic.
At the end of the day, having less wayspots just makes playing the game even "harder" with the reduced interaction range. So it just hurts the playerbase.
We want to spin moar stopz, so in protest we’re going to remove our candidates in review.
logik
If those players have decided to stop playing the game because of the change, it's not that illogical to also withdraw their nominations. This is after all free work for the company they consider acting irresponsibly.
YMMV.
contenance, my dears! Stop hacking on Pokemonz Players!
The point about the interaction distance is valid.
In terms of playability, increasing exploration, safety etc the larger distance made it a much better game to play.
I can see the logic in withdrawing nominations as there are points regularly made that Niantic doesn’t care about playability but it does want as large a database of waypoint information ( of a good standard) presumably to sell Hence trying to hit back where some suspect might affect Niantic. This action is clearly done out of frustration at Niantic refusing to acknowledge the depth of feeling.
Like many aspects of taking actions it will not help the players in USA and New Zealand in the long run.
The pandemic is not over and it is of concern that some of the changes to accommodate playing whilst there are major issues are being reversed.
I don’t think it is helpful to use language that is derogatory when there is no need.
Wayfarer draws on both Ingress and Pokémon Go players and comments as given above just serve to create division.
This is a community forum and needs to be more welcoming to all.
This seems obvious to me.
"You temporarily gave us easy mode during the pandemic. I liked easy mode because I didn't have to make much effort. Now it's gone and I have to take a few extra steps or maybe even go outside my house. WAAAAAHHHHHH!"
On the flip side, I do think it's ridiculous of Niantic to pretend that Covid is over, while it's on the rise in many places across the world.
The bonuses should eventually be reverted, yes, but it's too early IMO.
I find it strange that an increased interaction range was added to only one game. I guess because it has the largest player base? Still, I think it was unnecessary and leaving it in place any longer would just exacerbate the player reaction.
Niantic humming "I Just can´t wait" by Mandy Smith.
Wonderful to hear that the pandemic is over in the USA and the only reason for reactions is that people have to take few extra steps.
To be blunt, I expected better from you.
It sucks that Niantic reverted the pandemic bonuses, but it's just the game going back to normal. There are plenty of other games to play if people don't like this change. Most of the people using the pandemic to complain about the change would find another reason to justify it if the pandemic wasn't in full swing. It does geuinly suck cause now It's back to me standing right on top of the real world object and still no being able to interact with the POI, but oh well.
What no one is complaining about that I think is actually dangerous of niantic is adding incentives to get outside and explore more while Delta is spreading and cases rising. The double free pass and XP bonus for new stops is just a bad idea to have as bonuses when people should be masking and not going to places outside where they normally would. But no one is complaining about that in regards to covid for some reason 🤔
Mechanics of Pokemon: Gathering for raids. They wanted to allow people to spread out, so they increased the interaction distance.
Hindsight: completely unnecessary because outdoor covid spread is low. The remote raiding made sense, because some players couldn't leave home during their respective lockdowns.
I seldom see more than one agent working on a portal at once, unless 2 players are attacking it together. Most larger operations I've seen involve agents at totally different objectives at the same time.
Spoofers: *cough cough*
I mean, yeah, these group of players are possibly unaffected by this and might continue to nominate everything 'remotely' from their home. Abusive nominations in Sydney are just an example of this.
Yeah but ingress has flash farming and hpwu has the fortress which also cause gatherings, but somehow that didn't need increased distances. Additionally, remote raiding is a thing so that should have been the solution to gathering.
All a moot point now just thinking that Niantic would have saved themselves some trouble by never having made this bizarre change.
Ironically, the wayspot that is about 50-70m from my bedroom (depending on drift) was only JUST finally approved yesterday, after "only" 5 submission attempts over the past year. (some of y'all need to bone up on your PRP definitions, sayin'. See https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/21134/required-distance-from-private-property)
"Oh dear why did I even bother"* lol
*because having more valid wayspots in the database improves the gaming experience for all the local players, not just me
I too expect better from some of the folks that spend a decent amount of time in these forums. The trash can come in here to gloat but you are usually much more insightful on these topics.
Most of this thread completely misses/ignores the issues at hand and moronically simplifies what the problem is and is loaded with "NeED MoREStoPS crews is sad LOLOLOL".
If Niantic doesn't care about the PoGo community, wait makes you think they will listen to when they mess with your game?
I have a sinking feeling there might be a flood of "location change edits" now, as people attempt to move wasypots to more "opportune" locations...
Easy mode is an overstatement. Why does everyone assume that the 80m range was only helping home pokestops? It made playing in a pandemic (that's not ended and is ramping up again in some places, including the us) safe for the largest player base (don't forget, ingress has it possible to make an l7 portal with 2 agents, thats there cause covid). Even ignoring that, the 80m made the game a lot more accessible for disabled players, ot meant people didn't need to cross roads constantly to hit pokestops on the other side etc. Even goign forward, people are going to be very apprehensive of being in large crowds, for some that mught never leave, so not havi g people bunch up for raids wpuld be very helpful to them
I agree - I don't like the decreased distance, but not because "I have to take a few steps". For many players, that's the case - but with disabled players, it's definitely not. My issues pre-covid were GPS jitter at certain places that caused me to be prompted to "move closer to the gym" despite being right on top of the waypoint. Raiding with a friend in NYC, we often had to hit the same raid from two blocks apart because there was so much GPS drift - and I can only imagine how much pain that increased distance would have alleviated at the disastrous GoFest of 2017 in Chicago. Of course, now we won't get prompted to move closer - we'll just get prompted to spend more money on remote passes. Anyway, none of this is Wayfarer-related: I just don't want the posters here to put everyone in a Lazy box because they dislike the distance changes (which were at one point said to be permanent) being reverted. I'm a suburban player, I'll never have a couch stop, and the increased distance didn't benefit me in that way. This was a quality of life improvement that should have been made with or without Covid as a cause.
But for Wayfarer, I can't see the point of withdrawing nominations. Going totally F2P is probably the most impactful way of making a statement, but I can't see many players doing that because FOMO. I have noticed the pace of voting on my own candidates is picking up, and I like that a lot. Submitting is a joy for me, and it's free, so I will continue to do so.
I have already begun to see more location edits moving about 10 feet towards houses
What's "Flash Farming" - never heard of it in relation to Ingress?
HPWU Fortresses did require you to be within range for multi-player batles, which you need for the higher chambers if you want to win. However, in this case Niantic did something really sensible and created a "remote login" (The Night Bus) which allows player to battle at a central location, a bit like a "Remote Raid Pass" on PoGo. Considering how few HPWU players i've come across, this was one of the best things Niantic have done for HPWU, if you are "the only player in the village" you can now actually fight fortress battles with other players. Should have been in from the beginning, i hope Niantic realise how good this is for the entire player base and keep it.
You post reeks of privilege.
No need to sound so childish. The situation has changed since the start of the pandemic, yet Niantic is stubborn as ever. Many people have legitimat safety concerns (even if yes, there are no doubt people protesting for selfish reasons) and as a company that makes names that encourages people to be scalable, Naintic can and should do things which help people to play safely, especially vulnerable players with health considerations.
I am not part of this protest but I sympathise with those taking part. I don't see how doubling spin distance turns on "easy mode". It allows for people to be most socially distanced when in large groups, which is imimportant as I'm sure Niantic wants to tease people back outside with more events.
Flash farming is when eight or more agents of level eight or more gather and build up level eight portals around them and apply hack mods and often frackers and hack until they've stuffed their inventory with level eight goodies. Locations are usually chosen for having multiple portals accessible from one spot so it definitely causes people to gather closely.
There is an evident slowdown in the last couple of days which I can assume are coming from these protests. At the same time, there are a whole bunch of 10m edits which are of nominations being moved towards houses in anticipation of the reduced interaction distance coming to Australia. I would hopefully assume that the people who are threatening to quit the game and withdrawing their nominations are the same people who mainly submit trash and coal.
The interaction distance was nice, so it is a little sad to see it depart. At least maybe tone it down in increments of 10m over time rather than all at once, that would've been a lesser impact than this. But it does somewhat reflect our current situation and sentiment at times; if Niantic isn't going to listen to their cash cow community, what more does it small fry like us Wayfinders?
Considering this interaction distance change never was implemented in Ingress (and, for good reason really), as the primary game I play this did not have much impact at all. The increased interaction distance just made it easier to spin stops and acquire gifts with the GoPlus. The core element, catching Pokemon is still very much unscathed and raids are augmented by remote passes. Yeah, maybe someone who is able-bodied doesn't have much of a right to say this, but really this situation is really just exasperated in a world of the 'rona and will most likely blow over once they announce they release Arceus when Pokemon Legends comes out next year in January, and the next GoFest.
Shouldn't be giving Niantic ideas, but wait until they start requesting to link your Niantic account with your public health record and will only permit you to play if you've gotten fully vaccinated. 😂
You can erase nominations, stop paying bills, and even delete Pokémon Go from your smartphone until you are satisfied.
Then you will find peace in your heart.
We won't have any problems.
No, on the contrary, the reduction of low-quality POI nominations will bring peace of mind to us as well.
It's good for both of us. It's a Win-Win.
Me: Insults Niantic for their wrongdoing, lies and deceit: Warning
Ingress folks: Insult an entire demographic of players based on assumptions, all good.
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Huh, never knew rhat was the name for it, the one of those inwent to was really just a walking farm farm started with that "flash farm"
Now this is a constructive post. No demographic insulting, no ING vs POGO, just plain facts, and outlining a very big issue that most bitter people aren't acknowledging : When it comes time to **** players of other games (Like WU, but maybe in the future, Ingress aswell), do you think they will give a rat's bottom about the community of their barely lucrative projects?
More using your brain, less "mOaR sToPs" QQ.
Thanks. We used to call this an "8 roll". Ahh, the good old days of "Cargress", driving round the one-way system in the local town in 3 or 4 cars stuffed wil L8 players - first time round smash, second time round deploy L8s, 3/4/5 hack and stack your inventory. Then all of to the pub for a bit of community gathering. Doesn't happen any more. Happy Days.