What am I missing here?
TavisSr-PGO
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What is meant by pedestrian access? My nomination was within feet of the sidewalk and literally touches all 4 crosswalks. How much more access does a person need? Don't even get me started anyone could think you can possibly temporarily paint a street. This is the first of the city's projects to add color to intersections. It requires a permit, which last a minimum of two years and it has to be maintained by the permit holder. Is re submitting allowed? I will include this information if so.
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To have safe pedestrian access, you have to be able to stand at the point of interest (without being in the middle of a street). Being able to come within a few feet doesn't count, and neither does being able to stand on the edge of the piece while in a crosswalk. The "pedestrian access" rejection is correct.
So fountains in ponds and water towers and should be rejected as well?
Fountains in ponds, are ineligible due to lack of pedestrian access. Water towers on the other hand do have pedestrian access since their access is only blocked by a gate. Gates do not elimiante pedestrian access because anyone that has authorization can enter through the gate.
that does not look pedestian safe at all, what if uwant US that portal u need go where cars go ? these kind of portals are insta reject ....
Its in the middle of the road…. Aka would you be able to stand there and not be hit by a car
Is it just me or has no one bothered to cite any rule stating why my submittal doesn't have pedestrian access. If not, why should your subjective opinions override the stated rules?
The acceptance criteria literally states *safe* pedestrian access as one of the rules for wayspots being accepted (and the rejection criteria states unsafe access as a reason to reject).
Given that Ingress agents have actions that require them to be directly on top of the portal, can you tell me how an Ingress agent has safe access when they'd have to be stood in the middle of an intersection where cars drive?
How could anything in the middle of an intersection have safe pedestrian access? Simple, it doesn't. There is no way someone could stand in the middle of the intersection without putting themselves in danger.
you've cited nothing
From the November AMA:
Safe Pedestrian Access denotes the player is able to access the object in question by walking up to it without putting themselves into potential danger. (...) Ineligible examples include objects on roundabouts or in traffic dividers that do not have a sidewalk/pathway leading to it.
Show me the rule, or move along.
You have Wayfarer. You can see that "Location is unsafe" is listed on the rejections criteria page here:
https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/criteria/rejection
The rule is directly under the first picture on that page.
As for the post @Nadiwereb-PGO quoted, it's literally the first post in this thread, and comes directly from Casey: https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/10321/november-ama-your-questions-answered/p1
Exactly which rule do you want? That something that is obviously has no safe pedestrian access shouldn't be a Wayspot? That is plainly stated in the rejection criteria. Or are you asking for which rule states whether we can use common sense in determining if a location is obviously has no safe pedestrian access?
@NianticGiffard I think we can safely state that the OP is trolling and this topic can be locked.
Assuming you're not trolling, I get it. It's a really cool piece of artwork and really does kinda **** out that it should be a wayspot.
Unfortunately it exists in its entirety within an intersection of two motor vehicle roads and is the sort of thing that is why the pedestrian access rule has to exist and be an overriding rejection reason.
So
Um, is one in danger on a sidewalk?
You do know that crosswalk are LITERALLY pedestian access????
Yeah but it's in a 4 way stop in a state where pedestrians have the right of way. Would that matter? People try to pretend like judging is objective. It's clearly not. It's freaking judging!
Do sidewalks not matter. Seriously, I've seen so many freaking Disney statues that literally no one can access without getting ejected. That's cool, but a mural, created by people in a community isn't ok?
You're trolling and you know it. @NianticGiffard @NianticVK @NianticTintino can you please get involved here?
The artwork is NOT on the sidewalk, it is in the middle of the road. Since the object is in the road, it does not have pedestrian access.
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So like the sidwalk?
No, a sidewalk is generally considered to have safe pedestrian access. Unfortunately, no part of the art here actually is located on the sidewalk, so that isn't relevant.
A location in a crosswalk has "safe pedestrian access" in the sense that one could generally walk across the crosswalk safely. However, what isn't safe is staring at your phone while doing so, nor is stopping in the middle of the crosswalk to continue your gameplay. Although it isn't really written down anywhere, these are considerations that Wayfarers have to take into account as well. Yes, the rules could be clearer on this, but it should make sense when you think about it this way.
No it's not on the sidewalk, that's probably why I never said it was, but it is closer to the sidewalk than every place name sign you've probably ever seen!
I'm not trolling, is welcome a someone who actually knows the rules
But I don't have to put myself in danger by going into the road to reach a place name sign. That is presuming the place name sign meets the eligibility criteria, which most don't, or isn't being used as a physical anchor for a location that is eligible.
Why bring up place name signs? Those are generally ineligible, and the ones that are eligible would need safe pedestrian access.
Idk where you're from but they mostly eligible in my neck of the woods. Maybe people from where you're from shouldn't be judging stuff from where I'm from?
Judging is not objective, it is subjective. There are however some objective rules.
One objective rule is that the anchor point must be on the subject.
Since no parts of this painting touch actual sidewalk, no sidewalk area is valid.
The closest thing to pedestrian access on the actual object is the four points where it touches the crosswalks in the middle of the street. That's not safe pedestrian access. You can't stop there and engage in gameplay.
Like I said, I get it. It's annoying at times that between game mechanics and Niantic rules things like this can't be in the game. However, that's an issue with well, the game mechanics and the rules, not the reviewers.
Can you show me this in the rules? If you can't, clearly your judgement as subjective as mine and is as valid as mine.