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Least it was only a slight disagreement :)
Ofc they could try but as reviewers we would have to be checking for this which we should do anyways.
There is a significant difference between a biking trail and a cycling route. A biking trail usually covers a specific tourist area, maybe in the hills or wooded area. A cycling route is basically the bike equivalent of a major road. It just focuses on getting people from A to B and mostly between towns.
True. I’m still of the opinion that they’re not eligible.
You seem certain they are. Only one way to settle this.
(By which I mean wait for the Niantic “judges” to respond)
Get them all in, the MOAR arguement ;-)
So you're finally contradicting yourself. "It's the trail, not the marker" but you want to nominate each and every marker on the trail.
If the marker represents the trail, then every nearby marker should be marked as a duplicate of the first one - since they represent the same trail.
I would definitely say there has to be a distance between each wayspot on the trail. But you want to it get people to follow the route/trail. This is the next question once we get a response from Niantic.
Wow! Look at all the government waste! All those markers, when they really only need one per trail? Talk about overreach. /s
Or you are misinterpreting the point. Right now people are submitting every single trail marker (and in some cases generic footpath marker) they come across and I can guarantee that people would just replicate that with blue cycle signs if they could
Good luck, trying to pin them down on distance is like trying to catch water in a net. Was asked numerous times previously and either ignored or told "a sufficient distance", which as you can imagine helped greatly.
The only thing they have clarified repeatedly is that people should not be nominating and submitting near on identical POI's, its not MOAR its meant to be quality over quantity.
That doesn't stop people nominating things in their droves and them being blindly accepted, its why you get ridiculously amounts of identical trail markers, football pitches, tennis courts etc all in a very small area, or in some cases right next to each other
I know it’s going to be difficult. We have a route/trail that rune through my town from villages on one side to villages on the other. It’s a small historic town with old villages surrounding so a lot to look at and visit.
I would say there is around 10-15 waypoints possible along the route/trail which is around 20 miles long. Each waypoint could almost lead you to the next but saying something like - head north for 2 miles to find the next waypoint.
Absolutely not. The NCN isn’t a named cycling trail. There are hundreds of thousands of these across the UK and are comparable to “Public Footpath” discs.
Most would be excluded for a lack of safe access for existing on roads without any pedestrian access, that and many “markers” exist as stickers on lampposts and other generic road signs.
More importantly, they do not meet any of the acceptance criteria for not being a named trail.
Doesn’t need to be named anymore from the new rules I’ve seen. Just needs to be accessible, able to be used by both walkers and cyclists.
I would accept one of these larger free-standing ones.
The blue metal plates stuck all around the place, absolutely not. They are 1* every single day of the week.
People keep posting the criteria but they are intentionally not posting the rejection criteria.
"The object is mass-produced, generic, or not visually unique or interesting."
People who fail to read the rejection criteria are part of the problem. A blue metal plate is mass produced, is not visually unique and is not interesting. Therefore it is 1*.
Oops a daisy 🙊 been in for years.
Covid has brought a new focus on getting people to go and walk/cycle. The whole point is to exercise which is a fundamental for consideration.
The NCN routes do just that and locally my council is actively promoting them and putting in better signage to help. As part of a sustainable future they want to provide easy to access route ps that avoid people have it to travel and use cars to get to somewhere to walk.
What the sign is made of is irrelevant, it is about the content. There should be no discrimination as to whether it is in an urban location or a rural one.
wherever you are walking you are exercising and exploring, with interesting things to see on the way.
Ironically some of these signs can’t be submitted in lovely rural locations as they are on small roads with no safe pedestrian access, compared to urban areas where access is good.
On holiday I enjoyed finding wayspots on the coast path around Cornwall. Wooden signs with the acorn marker and usually distance to next place.
At home I can walk to the NCN 62 Trans Pennine Trail winding its way through industrial heritage. Blue metal signs with the 62 marker and distance to next place.
Both meet criteria, wayspots help exploration.
Thanks for this, if only more people had your way of thinking.
It´s the trail that makes you go "circling". Theres nothing better than parking the car at a place that is made for that, and then follow the trail and come back after 2-3 hours after making a circle.
I completely understand that a traffic sign someting that is produced in masses, and as it is there mostly to lead the traffic of CARS, theres no need to have these as wayspots.
as it IS already in WAY and Spot. There is a way, a trail, and a SPOT where there is a trail marker ON THE TRAIL.
If Niantic isnt able to auto-add Trail-Routes by importing gpx/kml data - then we need to be able to have our Trail Markers Accepted. People that review these have to be sure to look up the trail and the path (i.e. www.wanderreitkarte.de)
i dont now how people can be that rude to reject these as "generic, boring, uninteresting". These ARE the wayspots that should be.
But a piece of plastic on a wooden post isn’t?? You’d accept that.
Shouldn’t take live Waypoints for what is acceptable. **** stuff gets through all the time. I’m sure someone can submit an invalid report request, as the address is on there.
I’m not a fan of those either, I don’t believe Niantic realised how many of them there are everywhere before they said they were acceptable.
They want us to explore get out and about in the local community and a far. All these little markers everywhere means they get exactly what they want. Us spending more money.
So all you want is moar stopz and don’t care about the quality of the pokestops
They are quality stops that’s my point. They have said markers are allowed as they promote exploration.
A plastic disc on a stick will never be a “quality” pokestop. At best it’s acceptable
They have clearly said all trail markers are acceptable as the make people explore. Discs, posts, signs all 5*
Acceptable is not the same as “give it 5*” it means that I will give it a rating that will still see it be accepted but not as good a rating as I would give a much better candidate
It’s not invalid
If your going to give it a 3+ and everyone else does might as well give it a 5*. Hopefully we will get things cleared up a bit more in the next AMA so it’s more clear for you I mean.
Up to Niantic to decide now. 🤷