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Heck, it even rewards the areas that don't review and punishes the ones that do. Don't review? Don't worry, someone from far away will do it anyways. Do review? Less people from far away will review you area for you.
I've gotten reviews waaaay outside my review radius from big cities like LA, Seattle, Houston, etc. I've gotten WAAAAY more from middle of nowhere areas outside of my review radius too. You know what I almost never see? Reviews from the park that was a 3 minute drive away from me that I didn't know existed until 3 portals popped up there in the last 2 months. Asked the guy who submitted them when they did that? Last freaking year.
Thousands of reviews and I didn't see the stuff that close to me for months. It's like Niantic forgot the incentive in OPR was that you could help imrove your local area, but still treat it like locals are the ones reviewing the POIs.
I have over 50 stored upgrades at the moment. I guess it's time to take a break for a while.
Thanks for asking. Let me make another attempt at explaining but you seem to have parts of it down.
So let's look at new nominations within Pokémon GO. Per the original post, you accrue 1 new nomination slot every day, so in 40 days you would have 40 new nomination slots. However, on day 41, you would still have 40 new nomination slots as the cap is 40 slots. So, on day 41, 42, 50.... any day once you have 40 you can make up to 40 new nominations in one day.
Now let's look at Title Edits. So for this category you get 2 accrued per day and since the cap is the same as above, you would reach that cap in half the time (20 days). So you can save them up or you can use them throughout. To best take advantage of this cap I would make sure you use them all before hitting the cap of 40 so that you don't have any go to waste.
This too applies to the following points respectively, daily accrual and the max per day/caps.
I hope this helps clear that up.
Thank you! This is what the community at large at surmised but it was vague enough that the clarification really helps.
And what are you calling "abuse reports"? If it's the removal reports as it seems to be, it's not a good name. Things are often reported because they were permanently removed, and there's no abuse involved at all.
Makes you think, maybe an interesting experiment would be for all of us in areas with completely stagnant reviews to take a week or two off from reviewing and see what would happen. I wonder if it would be enough for the areas where things go through un-upgraded in a few days to even notice a change.
Maybe I don't get your statement correctly because of the language barrier. 😅
If not: Have you not yet noticed that it is "normal" to NOT receive any nominations from your immediate environment...?
That is the reason why I have deliberately set my home location away from my place of residence on the border, because as a reviewer from Germany I am unsuitable both linguistically and in terms of understanding the importance of nominations from the "Benelux" countries around me.
General criticism of the current review radius*:
Long-distance reviewers from neighboring countries such as Luxembourg, the Netherlands and France and their handling of the topic of Hiking and Cycling Trails represented by their Markers are currently annoying countless nominators in German-speaking countries. Presumably it is because they lack the necessary understanding of the value, or, like me, because of the language barrier, they do not recognize the value behind it, which they should (have) according to Niantic's current criteria.
*Except upgraded Nominations
This does help to clear it up. One more query though from me @NianticTintino though.
So we could have 40 stored up to use on Pokémon GO. Cool.
Will Ingress also have 40 leading to those who play both to potentially have 80?
Additionally, it seems from a previous comment that you’re discussing how to bring Wayfarer access to Harry Potter: Wizards Unite. If that can happen, does that give those who play the “main” Niantic games a potential of 120 Nominations to use?
I think it could be good now that I’ve had some time to reflect but so long as Niantic crack down on repeated poor submissions of what we would label coal. I don’t want 120 nominations of someone’s front door. You have noted;
To best take advantage of this cap I would make sure you use them all before hitting the cap of 40 so that you don't have any go to waste.
This too applies to the following points respectively, daily accrual and the max per day/caps.
I don’t think players should be encouraged to use all their Waypoint nominations up in one go, as some will nominate garbage just to get an extra one back.
Where it could be great is if I visit somewhere new, with low Waypoints and lots of eligible & acceptable stuff. Or even where there’s a lot of location/title/description edits needed (Chatsworth House comes to mind if anyone is around there).
Entirely depends on how much Niantic can control it and want to maintain a high quality network of Waypoints.
Nominations should be granted for agreements like upgrades. So wayfarer queue wouldn't be so much overloaded.
~25 / 50 agreements per review + widen review area if none left in chosen location.
I don't think that the people who need to review to have stuff passed are affected. They're probably still going to need to review to pass every single one. The ones in highly favored areas will get even more but this is coming at the expense of people who have wait times that are not long enough enough to motivate them to review think a couple of months. These people will see wait times lengthen and may review. You will probably get more reviewers from these fustrated players as the benefits of reviews are given to a select few. The select few seem to think this is fair because they don't have a lot. Honestly, waiting a year+ to hear a result when I've done 20,000+reviews is unfair when other places get it back in less than a week.
Imagine if the Taiwan uncle use all his 72 account to submit 40 nominations... 2.8k nominations to review 😅
@NianticTintino I was sad you ignored this post.
On Oct 12 with this goes live, will we start with our 7 available nominations or will everyone reset to 0 or 1?
And does this mean the bonus nominations we were told would happen as a result of a previous bug is never going to happen?
Will this happen before or after the promised "submission test" that was brought up recently?
For traveling I can see people wanting to bank some nominations...
but just increasing the number of nominations when most people stay local... YIKES...
I can not wait for even more completely ineligible submissions using third party Google images!
I also would like to know this as well. Do we start at zero? Do we start with seven if that is how many we have available on the start date?
Dang, has it really gotten so bad that people think you don't even get stuff to review from your immediate area? That is rough.
Niantic needs to do some sort of automatic detection or reverse image search for screenshots and 3rd party images. It also might help if they indicated to reviewers whether the submitter chose to use an uploaded photo, or if they took the picture in-app. I could see that leading to issues of people blanket rejecting uploaded photos, though.
Detecting screenshots and pictures of screens (as well as the same image being used for multiple POI) should be trivial. Search for 3rd party pictures might be a bit more difficult but definitely doable as well.
Showing to reviewers if it was an uploaded picture is something I'm not sure, though. As you say, it might lead to people rejecting all of them, so it would be better to just remove the feature instead. They could have it count negatively in the evaluation (as in require less reviewers rejecting it to reach a decision), but they would never disclosure it anyway.
Don't be sad @Gendgi-PGO, it was not ignored. Currently investigating it 😊
AMA, soon, please? 🤗
It should be so easy to just detect screenshots, especially AR snapshots and photos that come from Pokemon GO.
If the photo is coming from an internal phone folder such as /Pictures/PokemonGO/...jpg or /Screenshots, then it should be barred from even being uploaded in the first place. It's not a matter of just detection (although that should be advanced), but prevention.
Do we need a whole post to show how much Pokemon GO trash uploads and screenshots are being uploaded?
"If the photo is coming from an internal phone folder such as /Pictures/PokemonGO/...jpg or /Screenshots, then it should be barred from even being uploaded in the first place".
?? I've made 600-odd portals in Ingress, and IIRC every single one of them was made using pictures stored on my phone, which IMO, as it should be ! I never nominate "on the spot". Every candidate I submit I research beforehand, visit, take photos of, go home, refine my submission, and then submit.
/Pictures/PokemonGO/...jpg or /Screenshots
These are folders created specifically on (most, some, all?) Android devices for screenshots or PoGO app generated photos. I've never taken a screenshot of a photo to submit, I always nominate from my /camera file location.
That's why @HaramDingo-ING was suggesting that specific folders be "blacklisted," such as the folder associated with screenshots and the folder associated with Pokémon GO AR photos. They were not suggesting that all photos from phones be blacklisted.
While testing something during the nomination process yesterday, I accidentally chose a screenshot as the photo and got the following error.
So there appears to be some sort of detection but we still see plenty of pogo screenshots.
Sometimes, the way certain phones generate and store their screenshots vary by manufacturer and model, so at times they are seen as "unsupported image formats" but there are far too many instances of screenshots and pogo pictures in Wayfarer, especially in photo contributions. They are horrendous, and rejecting such as "fake" or "third-party" does not cut it. Anyone in the #coaliest-coal channel would know.
If someone can enlighten me as to why a Pokemon GO AR photo should ever be added to a wayspot, then please do. Because I am sick of seeing Mewtwo's crotch or the spoofer (Pokeball in a star) icon. All (if not, most) of my photos are also in my camera's gallery.
While I like the idea of limiting excessive nominations by inexperienced players, particularly around their homes and workplaces, I'm not quite sure this will be achieved by effectively quadrupling the nomination allowance of a Pokemon GO player.
I'd have thought a better way would be to limit the number of nominations "In Queue" and "In Voting" to the number of "Accepted" +1. So when someone qualifies to be able to nominate they can nominate 1 submission. If accepted then they can nominate 2, etc. If not accepted they can nominate 1. If they find something better in the meantime then they can withdraw a nomination and submit the better one. Yes they will have to wait for their nomination to be reviewed but that would be an encouragement to review and get an upgrade etc - during which time they can learn what good nominations look like.
My first nomination was rejected (eventually) but I learned and a year later it was accepted-better photo, better explanation, etc.
Maybe +1 is a bit stingy and people wouldn't get buy in to submitting stuff but you could bombard them with emails and in game notifications to encourage them to review and get this upgraded so they can submit more.
Until Niantic does something about the reviewer abuse, it really doesn't matter what "features" you add.
Oh please do start a screenshot/Google Map image used style thread when you have enough. I’m sure I’ll be able to add to it.
Alright, investigation done. Check it out below @Gendgi-PGO,
So upon investigation, I was able to find out that when this goes live, everyone’s contributions will be topped up to the daily max amounts mentioned in the original post of this thread. To use your example, you will not start with your 7 available nominations, you will start with 40 available nomination submissions, 40 available edit submissions etc. I hope this clarification clears it up for explorers.