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Just now I was all set to approve another gazebo in this neighborhood when I noticed the word "Battalion" on the map. With all the other Wayspots in the game, I almost missed that this was on a military base. If we are to follow the guidelines of NO Wayspots on military bases, we need help. If military bases are not allowed to have Wayspots, they need to be removed. Otherwise they are going to continue to be submitted and approved by the 99% of folks who don't check the forum.
Here are just a small sample I have saved from the past few days, I get these every day.
(actually in a hospital)
Military base nomination being reviewed:
Title: 91 MW Heritage Museum
Description: Created to honor the proud legacy of the 91st Missile Wing and display its long history.
Supporting: This stop will mark the history of the 91st Missile wing and let people see all of the different accomplishments of the units under its command. The area is safe to access and would be a welcome addition to Pokemon Go.
Location: Street Address: Minuteman Dr, Minot AFB, ND 58704, USA
I fully agree with you on this matter.
Currently, Niantic has made a clear conclusion that they will reject all POIs on military base property, but it is not clearly stated.
As a result, there are still players who misunderstand and make incorrect recommendations and reviews, and Niantic needs to make this clear in writing as soon as possible.
Now, some of you may disagree with me on this, so I'll elaborate a bit. If the government defines the site as a military base, it is still a military base, even if there is only a gated residential area within the site.
What is important here is that it is not the Niantic that defines the site of a military base.
Niantic has only said that the standard is to "reject any POI that is within the military base site.
It is the government that defines the site of a military base.
Today, the chief executive of the US government is Joe Biden. Before that, it was Donald Trump.
So it's wrong to lobby Niantic to change the criteria so that players who claim that base settlements are safe places because they are just gate cities can approve POIs on military base grounds.
What they should be doing is petitioning government leaders like Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel, or Fumio Kishida to carve out residential areas inside military bases.
We can always approve a good POI in a safe location outside the military base compound.
Since location games take precedence over POIs, we can't approve POIs in locations that Niantic says are rejected, even if they are good ones.
It is wrong to say that this is unfair or discriminatory.
It is just a distinction set by the government and the fate of the people who live there. Just like the difference between the city and the countryside, it's a difference that can't be bridged by Niantic's game if you're unhappy with it.
The funny thing is the more people post nominations of others nominating stuff on a military base. It also gives examples of what @TrevorAlan-PGO is mentioning about how things on base in residential areas should be allowed. It shows both sides of the argument. Highly doubt niantic will change there rejection criteria for military bases. They should update the eigibility criteria. Sure, but not the rejection criteria as it will get out of control 🤦🏻 Just my thoughts on it.
Here is another one
I would have had no idea from the map that this was a base if the nomination didn't say so. I was able to see that it was when i exited to full size google maps
this is too much responsibility to put on individual reviewers to uncover whether something is on base or not when it can't even be seen in the preview screen.
To be fair, in any nomination you should always take a look at the satellite view to verify that the streetview is correct and not a fake or misplaced one.
I always do look at satellite view. I do exit photospheres or street view to see the satellite view. I do not always exit the wayfarer nomination to get to a bigger version of the map to try to zoom in or out on words looking for the military base outlines that aren't clear on Google Maps anyway.
You're right that reviewers aren't the ones that should check if the nomination is within a military base, that's something that Niantic should automate and reject those nominations that aren't valid, same with school zones.
one could also say if reviewers aren’t reviewing properly and checking certain things that niantic should do all reviewing themselves. But as things have been shown that even niantic cant review correctly as well. Which seems to be a larger issue all together
In a perfect world, that would be nice, but I know there have been more than a few incidents where inaccurate OpenStreetMap tagging have caused problems in Pokémon GO, in particular cases where an entire college campus had no spawns for multiple years because it was marked as a K-12 school. Perhaps instead of automatic enforcement, the system could prompt the reviewer with a box at the top of the page: "This nomination may be located on a military base [or K-12 school], is that true?" and the reviewer would either answer yes or no before continuing with the review.
User sees that clicks Yes and the app refuses to send the nomination.
How long will it take them to send again the same nomination and click No?
This is on Peterson AFB
And many of these are familiar to me. I've reviewed and rejected with OES and yet they've gone live in the last few months.
I was suggesting this pop-up occur when the wayspot submission is being reviewed. If the the reviewer picks yes, then it counts as a vote to reject. Perhaps it would also require fewer votes than normal to reject a nomination in this way.
Good idea, I like it.
Not my first one, even this hour.
Yea, this seemed like a good idea.
I probably would have missed that one if not for noticing the "Army Garrison" on the map. It does appear the golf course is within base boundaries on OSM.
I do understand the argument that there's nothing dangerous about a golf course. I still do my best to follow the given reviewing guidelines even if I personally disagree, but I get situations like this just about every day.
this one was getting rejected anyway for being mailboxes, but goes to show that people just don't know that wayspots on base are ineligible
Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center
I guess this thread is now shifted into showing nominations on military bases in review. Is this for US only or anyone else can participate? Since all nominations shown here are from US.
Besides, if @NianticGiffard doesn't take any preliminary action, this thread is just worthless.
Surely you can participate as well. The more proof that there are wayfarers ignoring the guidelines, the better chance that Niantic might take proper action to correct this issue.
Are they really going against the guidelines if you have multiple POIs in military bases that Niantic refuses to remove?
Let me give you a practical example: You enter a nightclub that has a "No Smoking" sign. You see a ton of people smoking. You call the manager/owner, tell him about it, and he just shrugs it off. Your first instinct would be that, if the higher ups don't really enforce their own rules, then they aren't rules at all, and it's ok to smoke there.
I mean, you even had Cassey at one point advocating for the eligibility of Starbucks, which is about as generic as generic can be.
Who's in the wrong here?