More reviewers not reading

Super sick of reviewers not even looking at what they're reviewing.



  • Theisman-INGTheisman-ING Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whats the difference between this and a store that sells hiking gear or exercise equipment?

  • URWhatUKnow-INGURWhatUKnow-ING Posts: 84 ✭✭✭

    That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. @OP resubmit until it's accepted.

  • Theisman-INGTheisman-ING Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love how someone has disagreed with my previous comment, yet have not bothered to explain what the difference is either.

  • Shilfiell-INGShilfiell-ING Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have given this a marginal rating, just under the approval threshold. I disagree with the photo edit suggestions, though, and do think the main photo shows the sign and shopfront well by using the correct angle. It's the description I dislike most: it sounds like an advertisement, and I'd only expect to see things like that on a sponsored stop. You need to sell ME, the reviewer - and not a perspective customer for the business. Convince me better. And after only one rejection, don't publicly place all the blame on "reviewers" - most people here on these forums have been through at least one multi-submission struggle to get a candidate through, knowing that some need more effort than others.

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 5,321 Ambassador

    This clearly promotes exercise just as much as running around a football pitch, so it is an acceptable POI . But you do need to improve the nomination to get it passed.

    The information on the door makes it clear this is open to a wide range of people.

    The title is poor as it says nothing that identifies that site, and there are other good suggestions about the description and better supplementary.

  • Theisman-INGTheisman-ING Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Honest question that perhaps you may answer.

    What is the difference then between a Karate club like that and a store that sells hiking equipment

    Both promote exercise the same way, you go to the store / club and pay your money

    One makes you do the work there, the other gives you the gear for you to go walking off down a trail.

    What is the fundamental difference in promoting excersise between a karate club and a generic store selling equipment ?

  • Theisman-INGTheisman-ING Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Or is a sporting good store a generic store/ business which would also make a karate club one

  • Theisman-INGTheisman-ING Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Using your example of a golf store, a good one, does offer that, you pay to be taught, you can get the equipment to play, you're taught what to do you can book personal coaching, in that respect theres absolutely no difference between a golf store and a karate club.

    Stores that sell hiking equipment usually have adverts to encourage people to go outside, some have leaflets to encourage people on trails, information on local clubs etc.

    There are valid reasons to suggest a karate club as POI, but just stating its because it promotes exercise isn't one of them.

    Any shop that sells walking shoes promotes exercise, a bike shop promotes exercise because youre going to be using a bike, the path outside my house promotes exercise by virtue of making you have to walk on it, none of them are valid as POIs.

  • SiIverLyra-PGOSiIverLyra-PGO Posts: 952 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, I agree, I wouldn't say "it promotes exercise" is a good argument for this kind of nominations, just like a recycling bin doesn't promote recycling/environmentalism. I think "exercise promotion" applies to stuff like trail/exercise signs, or even fitness stations to a degree (although I feel these are closer in nature to clubs/gyms).

    But I do think clubs do provide a specialized, professional space specifically for exercise on site. I still don't think that the comparison to equipment stores is that straightforward.

    I think the difference is more akin to that between a toys store and a playground or an amusement park.

  • Telbourn-PGOTelbourn-PGO Posts: 72 ✭✭✭

    You and this shtick again. From the looks of it this isn't generic, unless you happen to live in some strange town with 20 dojos per street of something. This dojo in question also doesn't seem to be a big chain or major franchise. Nomination meets criteria regarding exercise and/or socialising and wouldn't say meets the rejection criteria of being generic. They removed the option of Generic Business when doing reviews as I assume it was being wrongly selected too often by reviewers like yourself. Maybe you just don't understand what a generic business is.

  • Sunlitgarden-INGSunlitgarden-ING Posts: 204 ✭✭✭

    I like the dojos because they promote exercise AND are a great place to socialize and make friends. I had one yesterday that was even more generic and almost rejected it but ended up going with 3*.

  • grendelwulf-INGgrendelwulf-ING Posts: 301 ✭✭✭✭

    It's a business. They are all the same. Instead of nominating the business find something interesting that identifies it and seperates it from the others, like a cool mural or water feature

  • sogNinjaman-INGsogNinjaman-ING Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The way I look at these sorts of things.

    Leisure Centres & Sports facilities operated by the local council, and sports clubs - acceptable.

    Commercial Gyms / Martial arts centres / Dance Studios etc - "generic business" - score very low.

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 5,321 Ambassador

    I suspect as it has been raised before that there are cultural differences as in some places I have been told they are run like day care centres.

    However from the information provided that does not appear to be the case here.

    I think there is a distinction between a large scale business and what are normal single places where you take part in physical activity.

    There are areas that are muddied. I am aware of 5 aside football pitches locally. They are run as a business but that would be far from obvious to anyone looking at a submission. I strongly suspect that as it is to do with football no one would actually give it much of a second glance. However it is probably the equivalent of this dojo.

    Dance studios are interesting as they have to take place indoors and they need specialist equipment such as mirrors. A few fitness centres run by local authorities may be able to accommodate this but it’s rare. So you tend to get small individually run dance studios - we have one that is an odd mix of local authority and a business. These are clearly about physical activity and they take part in competitions- often a much stricter exercise regime than any local football club.

    So I don’t think it is helpful to dismiss some of these as automatic 1* generic business because that is not what many of these are about. My reading of all criteria discussions is that we are meant to stop and consider more. It is usually fairly obvious when it is a branded large chain. And why should we dismiss small local places promoting less main stream forms of exercise with a reasonable number of active participants and be culturally locally important but be happy to accept football clubs that are clearly businesses.

    As I said at start I think this may vary enormously from country to country.

  • Shilfiell-INGShilfiell-ING Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dojos and the like are more geared to instruction than to equipment sales or short-term rentals like using fitness machines at a gym. They provide the requisite "nod to education" for me, and often instruct just as much on philosophy or culture as they do on physical moves.

  • grendelwulf-INGgrendelwulf-ING Posts: 301 ✭✭✭✭

    They are largely run as daycare and aftershool programs for k-12 students.

  • Khatre-INGKhatre-ING Posts: 181 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2021

    it's like every general sport business, it's not unique or else every fitness club, yoga center etc should be nominated ?

  • Sunlitgarden-INGSunlitgarden-ING Posts: 204 ✭✭✭

    If they only have K-12 classes then sure, reject for K-12, but if they have adult classes as well that shouldn't be a reject reason.

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