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Super sick of reviewers not even looking at what they're reviewing.
Maybe reviewers didn't like that the description was just their slogan. If you try again I'd try something about the kinds of classes they offer, etc.
Whats the difference between this and a store that sells hiking gear or exercise equipment?
Focus on improving the nomination, not on questioning reviewers' odd decisions. You'll hurt yourself. :)
This is a fine wayspot and should not have been rejected. Having said that, I DO see some chances for improvement on the nomination here: put a little more focus on the cultural part; this is a dojo, after all, and usually features exotic sports with entirely different surroundings, customs and rules which, in my opinion, sets it apart from western sports clubs and increases the value as a Wayspot:
Photo: Try to take the photograph from a straight angle, and maybe zoom a bit more on the kanji symbol on the left door to reinforce your future statement's cultural angle. Or, the WCMA logo on the right window. Or both if you focus on the door (kanji left, small wcma logo right).
Supporting photo and location: In contrary: angling your supporting photo even more, and zooming out a bit lets reviewers show more of the surroundings to decrease the chance that the laziest of reviewer will think 'can't find it'. Try to include one of the businesses near it, as I notice it is not on Google Maps. Oh and: try to put this place in Google Maps as a POI if you're able. :)
Supporting statement/description: this works against your nomination. Cut the sentence "frequented by a lot of kids and skilled adults" as it's not relevant and might invoke the 'K12'-spasm of stupid reviewers who can only read the word "kid". Don't mention 'it's only one of two', you are wising up the reviewer: they MIGHT think it's an ineligible chain. The URL takes the reviewer to a location selector when entering: avoid that URL. You could try https://www.facebook.com/WCMAHolmes/ . We shouldn't have to hide things from reviewers, but all too often people reject on basis of 'chain business' when it's perfectly OK to have two businesses in two different cities as Wayspot. They are both 'locally unique'.
And as said, I would mention it promotes exercise, has a high cultural aspect about it, AND is a sociable place (as is usually the case with sports clubs). I agree with what's said: description shouldn't be a slogan.
This will come online if you persist.
Easy 1* generic business. Dojos and dance studios were debunked a long time ago
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. @OP resubmit until it's accepted.
Don't see anything from the pictures or the information provided that makes this stand out from similar type of businesses. I would have given it a one star -- sorry.
“Most submitters making the bare minimal effort” also works as a title
Love how someone has disagreed with my previous comment, yet have not bothered to explain what the difference is either.
I would have given this a marginal rating, just under the approval threshold. I disagree with the photo edit suggestions, though, and do think the main photo shows the sign and shopfront well by using the correct angle. It's the description I dislike most: it sounds like an advertisement, and I'd only expect to see things like that on a sponsored stop. You need to sell ME, the reviewer - and not a perspective customer for the business. Convince me better. And after only one rejection, don't publicly place all the blame on "reviewers" - most people here on these forums have been through at least one multi-submission struggle to get a candidate through, knowing that some need more effort than others.
If you're gonna say it's debunked, you gotta show where.
Bonus points if it's after the 3.1 criteria refresh.
This clearly promotes exercise just as much as running around a football pitch, so it is an acceptable POI . But you do need to improve the nomination to get it passed.
The information on the door makes it clear this is open to a wide range of people.
The title is poor as it says nothing that identifies that site, and there are other good suggestions about the description and better supplementary.
People actually do exercise there, instead of only buying equipment. I don't even understand where this comparison comes from.
Honest question that perhaps you may answer.
What is the difference then between a Karate club like that and a store that sells hiking equipment
Both promote exercise the same way, you go to the store / club and pay your money
One makes you do the work there, the other gives you the gear for you to go walking off down a trail.
What is the fundamental difference in promoting excersise between a karate club and a generic store selling equipment ?
I guess nothing. We should therefore accept sporting goods stores as promoting exercise according to that logic
I'd say it's the same difference between a store that sells golf equipment, and a golf course. It applies to many other sports shops/sport centers.
The difference is that the karate club provides a specific space with tools, equipment, and personnel to learn from and train with. A store that sells equipment doesn't also have a hiking professional on site who teaches you how to hike. Or a hiking trail inside the store.
That's not to say that every karate/sports club is a slam dunk nomination. There are a ton of chains and generic locations, just like gyms. But I wouldn't say it's comparable to an equipment store.
Or is a sporting good store a generic store/ business which would also make a karate club one
Using your example of a golf store, a good one, does offer that, you pay to be taught, you can get the equipment to play, you're taught what to do you can book personal coaching, in that respect theres absolutely no difference between a golf store and a karate club.
Stores that sell hiking equipment usually have adverts to encourage people to go outside, some have leaflets to encourage people on trails, information on local clubs etc.
There are valid reasons to suggest a karate club as POI, but just stating its because it promotes exercise isn't one of them.
Any shop that sells walking shoes promotes exercise, a bike shop promotes exercise because youre going to be using a bike, the path outside my house promotes exercise by virtue of making you have to walk on it, none of them are valid as POIs.
Thank you for the advice! : )
No, I agree, I wouldn't say "it promotes exercise" is a good argument for this kind of nominations, just like a recycling bin doesn't promote recycling/environmentalism. I think "exercise promotion" applies to stuff like trail/exercise signs, or even fitness stations to a degree (although I feel these are closer in nature to clubs/gyms).
But I do think clubs do provide a specialized, professional space specifically for exercise on site. I still don't think that the comparison to equipment stores is that straightforward.
I think the difference is more akin to that between a toys store and a playground or an amusement park.
You and this shtick again. From the looks of it this isn't generic, unless you happen to live in some strange town with 20 dojos per street of something. This dojo in question also doesn't seem to be a big chain or major franchise. Nomination meets criteria regarding exercise and/or socialising and wouldn't say meets the rejection criteria of being generic. They removed the option of Generic Business when doing reviews as I assume it was being wrongly selected too often by reviewers like yourself. Maybe you just don't understand what a generic business is.
I like the dojos because they promote exercise AND are a great place to socialize and make friends. I had one yesterday that was even more generic and almost rejected it but ended up going with 3*.
It's a business. They are all the same. Instead of nominating the business find something interesting that identifies it and seperates it from the others, like a cool mural or water feature
The way I look at these sorts of things.
Leisure Centres & Sports facilities operated by the local council, and sports clubs - acceptable.
Commercial Gyms / Martial arts centres / Dance Studios etc - "generic business" - score very low.
"They are all the same."
This is fundamentally wrong and as an active forum reader you (should) know better. Please, stop spreading this old, false "generic business, 1*" propaganda.
This is an example of the lingering attitude towards business nominations. Could you (the team) comment on subject, preferably for wider audience than just the forum readers?
I suspect as it has been raised before that there are cultural differences as in some places I have been told they are run like day care centres.
However from the information provided that does not appear to be the case here.
I think there is a distinction between a large scale business and what are normal single places where you take part in physical activity.
There are areas that are muddied. I am aware of 5 aside football pitches locally. They are run as a business but that would be far from obvious to anyone looking at a submission. I strongly suspect that as it is to do with football no one would actually give it much of a second glance. However it is probably the equivalent of this dojo.
Dance studios are interesting as they have to take place indoors and they need specialist equipment such as mirrors. A few fitness centres run by local authorities may be able to accommodate this but it’s rare. So you tend to get small individually run dance studios - we have one that is an odd mix of local authority and a business. These are clearly about physical activity and they take part in competitions- often a much stricter exercise regime than any local football club.
So I don’t think it is helpful to dismiss some of these as automatic 1* generic business because that is not what many of these are about. My reading of all criteria discussions is that we are meant to stop and consider more. It is usually fairly obvious when it is a branded large chain. And why should we dismiss small local places promoting less main stream forms of exercise with a reasonable number of active participants and be culturally locally important but be happy to accept football clubs that are clearly businesses.
As I said at start I think this may vary enormously from country to country.
Dojos and the like are more geared to instruction than to equipment sales or short-term rentals like using fitness machines at a gym. They provide the requisite "nod to education" for me, and often instruct just as much on philosophy or culture as they do on physical moves.
They are largely run as daycare and aftershool programs for k-12 students.
it's like every general sport business, it's not unique or else every fitness club, yoga center etc should be nominated ?
If they only have K-12 classes then sure, reject for K-12, but if they have adult classes as well that shouldn't be a reject reason.
The exact same thing could be said about practically everything else that's not one-of-a-kind art.
Every church is the same. Every community garden is the same. Every playground is the same. Every decorative fountain is the same. Every train station is the same. Every post office is the same. Every tennis court, football field, basketball court, baseball diamond is exactly the same. Still, this isn't seen as a problem by the same people who argue that it's somehow a problem when it comes to dojos, gyms and restaurants.
I truly don't understand where this obsessive and unrealistic expectation that everything (specifically businesses) should be absolutely unique comes from. It makes zero sense to me. If it meets the criteria (and this one clearly does in my opinion), it's eligible.