Nomination empowering black students rejected BY NIANTIC
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I was very surprised to see this nomination rejected, and even more so to see it was a Niantic review.
@NianticTintino I don't know if Niantic reviews are done by humans or bots, but this is just wrong and I would like to believe, does not stand in line with Niantic's values.
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It is probably a can't find it thing. What does your support picture and streetview look like?
That should have been approved, unless there was something wrong with something else in the nomination. I would definitely re-submit.
Have you got the rest of the submission details, location support pic and statement, to share ?
Is this on school property? Even if an excellent target, if it's on school property, it's unfortunately probably ineligible. :(
Here is the supporting picture for those who asked (I added the red circle here, not in the nomination itself)
It is a university, not a K-12 school, and not even on the campus ground, it is a public plaza between the campus and downtown area and well seen on google maps/street view.
If it has a website reference, url, personal reference etc... it has to be denied correct?
wrong. In Text.
And the location details and the support statememt ?
The lack of rejection reason makes it difficult to narrow down the cause (read: hey Niantic, we need more and better rejection communication, not less) so while subject looks worthy, without full the nomination, including all text and location information, it’s not possible to accurately assess.
That said, Niantic internal reviews do not have a sterling reputation.
Niantic's reviewers are terrible. There's no way they should be the final word on anything except obvious PRP and abuse. @NianticDanbocat's re-education scheme obviously did not "take". They might as well be typing '.' as a rejection reason for all the sense this makes.
Without seeing supporting info, I'd have accepted this, it seems a very good waypoint
Provided that the location for this has safe access, is not on the grounds of a school (k-12), or a similarly unacceptable location, I would re-submit this wayspot candidate.
Don’t resubmit yet. If you put up the location and text information, Niantic may reverse their internal decision. But it takes the full nomination.
@NianticDanbocat can you take another look at this nomination? this seems like exactly the kind of thing niantic would want in game.
You can't really blame the Niantic Internal team for rejecting it. They're probably some **** dudes they picked off from Boston Airport, gave them some guidelines and told them to go with it. So, they'l have no idea if K-12 includes Universities, because they are literally "brand new" reviewers.
I'd personally have accepted it, good cultural value, safe location, no PRP or K-12. Surefire.
Given the info provided, I do think this should've been accepted as well. Definitely seems like one for @NianticDanbocat to discuss with the in house reviewing team.
Rolls eyes and sighs heavily.
The POI, the picture, the surrounding pic all of it looks absolutely fine. So unless there was something awful in the description wording there should have been no reason to reject.
Adding my voice for a second look and feedback to the Niantic reviewers.
@NianticDanbocat
Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon to **** the Niantic reviewers, perhaps it would be pertinent to have all the facts.
The location information hasn't be provided and theres no screen print showing the pin placement.
Whilst I'm more than happy to lay blame at the internal reviewers when they make a mistake, can we at least have all of the facts established first.
It doesn’t show up on street view BUT the supporting picture is 100% clearly of the exact same location. Given there’s a Northwestern site about the tour, this shouldn’t get rejected for not existing, which is the only possible thing I can come up with for why they would have rejected it. No argument at all for K-12, pedestrian access, or private property rejection. It’s a great nomination and should be approved (I think you should submit all of them for the tour if you can, it’d be cool to basically do the tour but also in a game. If I’m remembering correctly there’s the mission thing in Ingress if it would qualify for that. Rumors of a similar thing for PoGo tbd which I would create and or engage in next time I’m in Evanston.)
For Niantic this decision looks real bad and shows why not giving reasons for internal decisions is legit problematic and more than just an annoyance for the nominators.
I don't know why so many assume the location is incorrect. I have a record of over 200 accepted nominations and almost 20K reviews. Here is the pin from the wayfarer website, which doesn't help much since the map in there has no zoom in/satellite mode option, but I can give you the link to google maps as well. The supporting picture clearly shows it's in the right location.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/42%C2%B003'01.5%22N+87%C2%B040'47.3%22W/@42.050425,-87.6803532,128m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d42.0504236!4d-87.6798062
Thanks!
Most of the other stops of this tour are in the 20m range of existing POIs, except one which was already approved some time ago.
The only thing you have going against you here is that there appears to be two photospheres in the area which also do not show the POI (and one is a pretty dark and blurry photosphere which really isn't useful for anything). That being said, the website being linked to on the POI itself has an official trail map which lists this as stop 9 and it seems to pretty much perfectly fit with both your location pin, and the street view from the street does also match your supporting image, so that would be more than enough for me to believe that the POI exists at the location.
I doubt the Niantic reviewers are sophisticated enough to pay attention to this kind of thing, but the description does appear to be copied directly from the plaque. Given that descriptions copied from third party sources like business websites, Wikipedia, etc., are a cause for instant rejection, this is a somewhat gray area, and could in principle have been considered grounds for rejection.
The text is copied from the plaque - 3rd party text is an automatic 1* rejection. Write your own description and resubmit. I've just had a series of "trail markers" appear on my review screen this last couple of days which would make perfectly good POI apart from the description, which is identical in all cases. The last line says "pick up one of our leaflets......"
Had 3 this evening myself, would be good as all visually unique markers but kyboshed by the description
People are taking the rules way too far.
I don't see anything wrong with having the official text of the tour on the POI. It's not like it's copyrighted.
I also highly doubt that's the reason for rejection.
I also realize no matter how great a nomination is, some people in this forum will gladly find any little flaw and reject it for that. Wish there was a way to lock it for comments from non-Niantic mods.
@NianticGiffard can this rejected nomination be appealed?
This would have been an excellent wayspot, I'm sad to see the Niantic reviewers reject it. Especially considering the things they have approved. (And especially considering Ingress's recent efforts to encourage diversity in it's game)
If Niantic doesn't appeal it or approve it, I'd reccomend just submitting it again, it's likely it would be reviewed by regular reviewers this time. Though I'd make sure it's visible on streetview or satellite in case location verification is an issue for some stickler reviewers.
It's not like it's copyrighted.
Why do you say that? Except in certain special circumstances, all creative works like this are copyrighted upon their creation. Is there something special about this that puts it in the public domain? Niantic not wanting to invite claims of copyright infringement is very sensible on their part, particularly when it’s completely unnecessary for a good description.
@OrIando-ING
I can't vouch on behalf of Niantic, but please nominate again after you have uploaded your 360° photo to the location where you put your PIN.
Currently, when I look at the street view of this location, I cannot see this POI plate.
If I cannot confirm the existence of the POI itself, even if the overall rating is high, the location information will be the lowest and will be rejected. I don't think the description has been copied or anything.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0506258,-87.679727,3a,53.7y,298.46h,80.37t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPktyOjt9V9843nWdEHYtmxG-gN5DSZXR2czgf-!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPktyOjt9V9843nWdEHYtmxG-gN5DSZXR2czgf-%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya191.32414-ro0-fo100!7i8000!8i4000