When do you think the first Appeals will be processed?
PkmnTrainerJ-ING
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Niantic has not provided a timescale for this, so I wanted to see what fellow Wayfarers thought too.
When do you think the first Appeals will be processed? 113 votes
January/February 2022
17%
20 votes
March/April 2022
14%
16 votes
May/June 2022
9%
11 votes
July/August 2022
12%
14 votes
September/October 2022
2%
3 votes
November/December 2022
1%
2 votes
January/February 2023
1%
2 votes
March/April 2023
1%
2 votes
Past 2023
27%
31 votes
December 2022?
10%
12 votes
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I will add though, originally I thought they would be getting through them from the start (not all of them, but at least start getting through some of them through right away)
Yeah I thought, when they went live, that we may see a handful processed before the end of the year but seems not.
Yeah, 3 weeks and nothing. I voted may/june being more realist.
I'm cynical. Not until 2023. Better for me to be pleasantly surprised if they arrive before then.
it would be nice to hear something otherwise whats the point if it will be a 6months 1 year wait ? i dont understand how this is gonna work really, back then niantic had to stop review manually as it was just too many submissions, now they are suddenly gonna have time to look at all appeals to decide? thats alot of work for them....
If the system had allowed Wayfarer Ambassadors to participate in appeal reviews, it might have worked a little better.
Exactly how many 1000 appeals do you think dropped into their inbox, particularly as it appeared to be letting people submit 1 per day, not one per month. I'm guessing they have about 3 years backlog sitting there after 3 days.
I have NO confidence that there is any priority whatsoever being given to the appeals. There were far too many being submitted in the beginning, and now it has been nearly a month since those floodgates opened with NO responses whatsoever from the reviewing team, neither yea nor nay.
But knowing how Niantic has handled similar sorts of accidents in the past, I worry that they may be spending more time debating about how to filter out those “extra” appeals that shouldn’t have been submitted yet, rather than attempting to review any.
March-April 2022 for a mere overturn verdict ( Nominations are accepted ).
July-August 2022 for a complete verdict :
[Puts on work hat] Will review appeals for money on a consultancy basis - winter is a quiet time for my usual consulting work.
(Well, you never know....... ;-) )
What’s your going rate for that review? Or does it vary depending on the coal seen in Appeals. 😆
Yeah... it has to be done by Nia employees, not ambassadors... then when "Abuse" rejections are found to meet criteria and are not abuse, the 'abuse' rejecters can have their wayfarer access revoked, which should not be handled by ambassadors.
And a Happy New Year to you sonny......... 🤣
At this point you might as well roll a d20 and take the result to be the number of months before an appeal gets handled. That, of course, requires the optimism that appeal reviewing is enough of a priority to get one looked at in the next 20 months.
+5 review speed if you use an Upgrade, roll a D10 on 8 or better for a Rejection save. 😉
I think the Ambassadors are the right ones for working off the Backlog of the Appeals.
Niantic surely has easy surveys that show who´s the Boss when reviewing in terms of truthfulness to their rules. On the other hand, the "Bosses" i know surely know how to gamble it. Anyway, Niantic wouldnt have to pay a dime, and that is what their main goal is.
Important note. I do have Darkvision if that’s relevant.
I would not want Ambassadors to be responsible for reviewing appeals (once the Ambassador program is live obviously). The idea of appealing a rejection is that it gets seen by the people who make the guidelines themselves, and they should be the best people to make the judgement on whether the nomination meets those guidelines.
Granted, I know a lot of us don't have a huge deal of trust in this, given the whole Foursquare debacle and things like mattress shops getting accepted, but I'm hoping that they took that as a learning exercise and that, going forward, they will have more integrity when it comes to the database.
Ambassadors may have a fancy title and get some additional perks, but they shouldn't be reviewing appeals, especially not when they could be part of the reason the nomination is getting appealed in the first place.
Yes this is something I would like to do in combination with helping out areas with lack of reviewers.
I have to say that when the role of ambassador was proposed i saw it as a communication role ….. that is generally what ambassadors do. So a range of communication skills including putting a range of views.
The appeals process is important but it’s a decision making role, and hopefully with sort of gathering of the kind of thing that one way or another is leading to erroneous submissions or rejections. That should be a distinct role.
But it’s wandering off topic
We just need to be patient. Something clearly hasn’t gone to plan and it may be the number and variety of appeals compared to resource set aside.
An update would of course help us all.
Appeals shoud be put a second time on classic reviewing.
that will certainly reduce the number of false rejection.
only after the second classic review, Niantic should review the appeal (if it’s still rejected)
I really, really wouldn't want to see power to accept/reject appeals given for ambassadors (or any other community members) who actually want that power.
There has been a report of appeal going through (rejection) in our local group. No hard evidence, but no reason to doubt either.
An update of situation would be nice
Let´s keep it out of Niantics hands. Maybe giving it to the Ambassadors is the right thing to do. I dont want anyone in California or Ulan Bator review wayspots in Germany.
The December AMA said appeals will stay as they are for six months.
They're using them to train Machine Learning. This takes millions of sample input:result pairs (nomination:accept/reject). First you create the pairs. Then you give the ML 80% of your examples. Then you use 10% to test the learning. Then you tweak it, including (eventually) feeding it the 10% you tested with. Then you have another 10% to test the (hopefully) finished product. Six months is about right. (I just finished 3 professional specializations on cloud/ML/AI stuff, so know whereof I speak.)
The December AMA said appeals will stay as they are for six months.
They're using them to train Machine Learning. This takes millions of sample input:result pairs (nomination:accept/reject). First you create the pairs. Then you give the ML 80% of your examples. Then you use 10% to test the learning. Then you tweak it, including (eventually) feeding it the 10% you tested with. Then you have another 10% to test the (hopefully) finished product. Six months is about right. (I just finished 3 professional specializations on cloud/ML/AI stuff, so know whereof I speak.)
The last thing I want is for my appeal to be reviewed by the same community that already rejected it. Even a bot with a six month lead time - which is pretty disappointing - is a better choice.
I think them saying that the process will stay as it is for six months means that they won’t review any changes in how the Appeals process works for six months, not that they’re using machine learning for it.
thats nice, but not what this is about. as my dear PkmnTrainerJ said, it is.
I assumed they had started but had such a huge backlog due to so many badly rejected Submissions.
Until they fix bad rejections and vite abusers it's going to take a team of full time people to handle appeals...
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Happy New Year.
could we please have a short update on this - just to manage expectations