Hiking trail marker and mountainbiking trail marker - problems and experimentation

Aeryle88-PGOAeryle88-PGO Posts: 432 ✭✭✭

There is a problem with hiking trail markers and bike trail marker on wayfarer. They are supposed to be eligible according to the rules.

After seeing the message from Niantic here: https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/144111 , i decide to make a little experimentation by nominating many trail markers similar to the one in the message and see how many get accepted.

The results was not a surprise: mass rejections, except for two of them (there is hope: people can vote correctly...)

In order of nominations. (All nominations are on different places, with at least 100meters between each nomination)

No argument for the rejection.

This one get accepted...

... but this one not. Despite it's the same kind of trail marker. (and according to the rules, we nominate the trail, not the marker, so the "not visually unique" is not a good rejection reason here (and it was rejected before the previous one get accepted, and the two are not on the same place ))

The innapropriate location is a bad rejection reason too... It's in forest, not in a cemetry.

False nomination??? lol. Again bad rejection reason.

The second very good suprise. Many trail marker, get accepted directly. Some people vote correctly. That's great.

Again, no rejection reason was given.

Bad quality photo? Seriously?

And the last one, with again no rejection reason given.


I don't want advices on theses nominations, i know, thank to Niantic, they are totally eligible. I post that just to add argumentation about the trail marker problems.

I will nominate them again later, and certainly appeal some of theses nomination when appeal will be available again, but i think that's unfortunate to have to nominate trail marker many times (and/or appeal them) despite they are totally eligible.

Comments

  • Aeryle88-PGOAeryle88-PGO Posts: 432 ✭✭✭
    edited March 6

    And i forgot to say, that, unfortunatly, the appeal system will certainly be not enought to manage to solve this problem. As @NianticDanbocat said in the other subjet, the communauty made a mistake, and i should appeal... But here, there is only a few trail marker.

    There are hundreds of them, so hundreds of potentials wayspots that will encounter problems of mass rejection, until Niantic found a solution to solve the problem. (maybe by changing the voting system to reduce the possibilities to reject trail markers?)

    Appeal could be a solution, but with one every mounths, it would litterally take years to validate all interesting trail markers.

  • Gazzas89-PGOGazzas89-PGO Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just keep resubmitting, changing the wording slightly or explaining more or whatever. And make sure to link that comment you did in the supporting info, might sway some people who goy to that stage and were still on the fence

  • rodensteiner-INGrodensteiner-ING Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That doesnt work. the "Communithe" will still reject them.

    Niantic does accept them when appealed.

    These are eligible wayspots, and theres no way denying that large parts of the Reviewers reject them.

  • Xmacke7x-INGXmacke7x-ING Posts: 215 ✭✭✭✭

    You have to bei lucky to get those accepted. It is the same problem in Germany.


    A good idea would be that the reviewer get a message they have to view when they are logging into wayfarer. This message tells them when an appeal was accepted ob a wayspot they rejected

  • tehstone-INGtehstone-ING Posts: 875 Ambassador

    can you share what you're using for supporting text? preferably translated to english. I know that in most countries in Europe these types of markers are very difficult to get approved but improvements to your support statements may help.


    I think the more effective solution is to continually explain why they're eligible in any community chats you have and change minds that way. it will likely be slow, difficult, and frustrating but in the long run I think you'll see improvement.

  • MargariteDVille-INGMargariteDVille-ING Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Only if the vote was within the last 6 months.

    Is there any point in alerting reviewers now, about a nomination from 2018? The criteria have changed since then! Most have probably stopped reviewing... should we chase off those who still are? Even they're in great status?

  • rodensteiner-INGrodensteiner-ING Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a general problem Niantic created for themselves by NOT stopping the Submissions into the Database, clear it out and re-start Submitting into the Database by the new criteria.

    They basicly did this without thinking.

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