From Great to Poor in less of 100 reviews?

Ive had Great rating since practically the start ive reviewed, two days ago i decided to just waste my time a little more after some time

Didnt change anything how i review because there is nothing to change, same **** gets rejected, same stuff gets accepted, there is no brainer to review especially when they send trash cans

And suddendly my status went down to good, didnt even care, continued and ended in poor, currently at fair

So...what is this? are we now supposed to accept the trashcans so i go with the majority and can go back to great?

Comments

  • MelodyS88Chi-PGOMelodyS88Chi-PGO Posts: 625 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That sudden and drastic of a drop with so few reviews means it is most likely a case of you voting to approve a honeypot.

  • ZeroZeroZiete-INGZeroZeroZiete-ING Posts: 73 ✭✭✭

    Going to ignore the first person which makes zero sense and have no idea of what is he typing

    But ill answer you with this, i opened wayfarer again and i am in poor but before this i was in Fair

    Am i supposed to take five minutes with this honeypot? not even going to bother to explain what it is, this is insta 1 star with low quality picture reason and i just added ''object cant even be properly seen, submitter should send a better picture''

    Stuff like this makes zero sense of going from Great to Poor in less of 100 reviews, this is the kind of honeypots i see most of the time with the majority being fake or clearly not valid, even my dog can submit better honeypots


  • ZeroZeroZiete-INGZeroZeroZiete-ING Posts: 73 ✭✭✭
    edited March 19

    The reason i called that a honeypot is that guy, i am being sarcastic using his delusional joke as well, to bad isnt funny when you have to explain it, but what he mean with his comment is i am five start'ing everything like crazy and that is why i went down from great to poor..clearly i am approving the honeypots, capiche now?

  • tp235-INGtp235-ING Posts: 734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sometimes a review with an obvious one-star denial will be rated lower if it is repeatedly submitted in 3 seconds.

    Most of the time when I go down from GREAT to GOOD is when I get a series of 1-star reviews, and even though I'm careful, I speed up the process.

    In your case, I think the rating tends to drop more quickly because of the small number of reviews.

    Niantic asks that you take sufficient time to review even nominations that are clearly one-star nominations.

  • X0bai-PGOX0bai-PGO Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mine collapsed not too long ago as well, also in a very small number of reviews (probably no more than 20). It seems unlikely I voted to approve a honeypot. The speed-of-rejection answer also does not satisfy my curiosity. I think there’s another reason somewhere out there that the community hasn’t yet guessed at, and unfortunately Niantic just hasn’t shown a lot of interest in explaining how their systems work.

  • MargariteDVille-INGMargariteDVille-ING Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Honeypots can also be 5* nominations, testing to see if you reject everything.

    Here's where Niantic announced the honeypots (altho "honeypots" is slang and they don't call them that), in Dec 2019, from https://nianticlabs.com/blog/wayfarer-checkin/?hl=en

    We've also taken steps to pre-approve or reject certain Wayspot nominations prior to them entering Wayfarer. Reviewers who disagree with our assessment may see a dip in their performance score. Reviewers who fail to follow Wayfarer guidelines may also be asked to take the quiz again, or (depending on the severity of the violation) may receive a time out from Wayfarer.

  • Hosette-INGHosette-ING Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suspect that a dip may sometimes happen if you do the same thing several times in a row. The one time my rating dropped was after a sequence of 11 (or more, I don't remember) pure unadulterated coal candidates.

  • TheFarix-PGOTheFarix-PGO Posts: 3,967 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Honeypots" aren't just nominations that should be rejected. They also include nominations that should be approved.

  • ElwynGreygoose-INGElwynGreygoose-ING Posts: 244 ✭✭✭✭

    Someone said in here that ever since they'd started taking their time to review slowly and carefully, their rating had never moved from Great. So i started doing the same and my rating has stuck on Great, instead of dropping to Poor like it has done in the past.

  • Shottix-INGShottix-ING Posts: 56 ✭✭✭

    Current system is kind of like....get 1000 agreements In a row for great rating, get 2 wrong and go to poor.

  • X0bai-PGOX0bai-PGO Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well let me just say that this is awful.

    Niantic changes their guidelines from time to time and what may have qualified then may not qualify now; and I GUARANTEE they do not review their honeypots at each criteria change. So a rejection for, say, a cemetery or a memorial bench or a survey marker may have been inappropriate once upon a time, but is now the expectation.

  • ZeroZeroZiete-INGZeroZeroZiete-ING Posts: 73 ✭✭✭

    Going to ignore the first person which makes zero sense and have no idea of what is he typing

    But ill answer you with this, i opened wayfarer again and i am in poor but before this i was in Fair


    Am i supposed to take five minutes with this honeypot? not even going to bother to explain what it is, this is insta 1 star with low quality picture reason and i just added ''object cant even be properly seen, submitter should send a better picture''

    Stuff like this makes zero sense of going from Great to Poor in less of 100 reviews, this is the kind of honeypots i see most of the time with the majority being fake or clearly not valid, even my dog can submit better honeypots at this point

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The key issue is human v algorithms.

    Confusingly you need to stay on the good side of the algorithms, without being told officially what the algorithm is looking/checking for.

    Niantic had several issues around the scores that reviewers were submitting, and created these to try and stop and amend the behaviour.

    It also prereviewed some submissions to check if the reviewers were making correct decisions - these check a variety of scenarios dreadful photos (like the one you have shown) right through ones that are crisp clear photos that might contain an obvious face, or an obvious accept eg a religious building. Get one of these wrong and you’re rating starts to drop.

    Frustrating though it is at times if you want to review you need to stick within those Wayfarer “Game” rules.

    writing some feedback (as you have done) helps to slow down your response, I think the time expected is around 30 secs.

    clicking on the Google view window ticks the box that expected checks are being made.

    Keep a mental note if because of what you are seeing either a sequence of good POI eg play areas or poor POI that are rejected for the same reason. As far as the algorithm is concerned it knows nothing about the actual POI just the emerging pattern. Take a break.

    Yes you want to do lots of reviews, and yes it can be infuriating but if you can’t play to the game rules and are getting stressed, take a short break.

  • ElwynGreygoose-INGElwynGreygoose-ING Posts: 244 ✭✭✭✭

    I don't think Niantic lays traps like the following but some of the checks you might want to do are:

    1. Check whether that chapel, pub etc has actually closed down and is now housing / for sale.

    2. Check whether the photo is a third-party photo (Google image search)

    3. Check whether the description text has been plagiarised

    The post immediately above is an excellent summary of what's really important, though. These are just some of the additional checks you might want to consider making to be on the safe side (they help to slow you down, too).

  • Telbourn-PGOTelbourn-PGO Posts: 62 ✭✭✭

    So I'd recently dropped to Good again and decided to test something, did two reviews as normal then came to one which was for a Pond on a walking trail. Obviously this is a natural feature, although the main photo did heavily feature the man-made wooden gate/fence around it. I'd normally reject as natural feature but this time accepted it. Did one more regular review after. Checked profile and down to Fair rating.

    So seems like while it can take a lot of agreements to get to/stay at Great it only takes one disagreement to drop down a tier.

  • PDSchroeder-PGOPDSchroeder-PGO Posts: 35 ✭✭

    A quick question for you as this whole process is an interesting item for me. What are the numbers that you're working with in terms of total nominations reviewed as well as the percentage of agreements you have? I wonder to myself if there's some component of percentage that factors into what your rating is.

  • Hosette-INGHosette-ING Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PDSchroeder-PGO The calculation I use is agreements -- (Accepted + Rejected + Duplicated) / Total reviews.

    It's an imperfect calculation because the first three metrics only count the reviews that have achieved consensus, and total reviews includes things that you've voted on that are still being voted on by other people. My experience is that it can take several weeks for most of your pending reviews to reach consensus and show up in accepted/rejected/duplicated if reviewers agreed with you. There's no way of knowing how many of your reviews are still pending consensus.

  • Telbourn-PGOTelbourn-PGO Posts: 62 ✭✭✭

    What affect does the rating have by the way?

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was clarified that the votes made at poor and fair ( think it was just those 2) do not contribute as much to deciding the outcome.

  • MargariteDVille-INGMargariteDVille-ING Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, and agreements reached while rated "poor" will not count to your in-game badges. (I think "fair" counts, but not sure.)

  • ZeroZeroZiete-INGZeroZeroZiete-ING Posts: 73 ✭✭✭

    Was on Good, got dropped to Fair in this insta 1 star...a tree, a freaking tree...i just cant anymore, better going to play elden ring than giving away my free time


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