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i´d be happy to make the research. Niantic just needs to ask.
embarrassing as it is, it isnt acceptable that this is going on for many many month.
I just have no words. You had one job.
Only rejection reason for all 3 "not visually unique", all rejected within days after another. Fun.
I call them Portal Mafia here... (Region Lusshardt Rhein Neckar) Rejecting decent stuff (Vereinsheim, artwork,...) with flimsy qualifiers, known spots of ingressers, while at the same time letting K-12 wayspot pass multiple times. Some towns getting boosted with wayspots, others seem to be marked bright red, 'nothing shall pass'
Alteration on Google maps, leading to real editing wars. (INventing a K-12 where there is none)
Multiple never-seen-on-intel ingress accounts as portal (picture) creators.
Home arenas being deleted to no return.
Very systematic abuse, unfortunately.
I'd like to see someone look into this, especially with the focus on "is it always the same people denying portals in specific locations"
Appeals don't seem to work...
Hi especially @NianticGiffard, @NianticDanbocat, @NianticAtlas
Germany offered enough proves to have a special look into the german reviewers and exclude the many bots right now that undermine the whole system and will only lead to Wayfarer being completely left alone in Germany. Reviewing as well as submitting is completely senseless and I have hight doubts that my nearly 200 other submissions in queue or voting will have a different treatment at the end.
Today, I received another rejection that is just not understandable and again - of course - with the same dubious "Not visually unique" reason. I highly recommend to have a look at especially this case! Why? Because the submission went into voting after midnight and the rejection mail came at 7:14 AM. I am pretty sure you can easily verify that. Ergo: 7 hours in the middle of the night. I am pretty sure that - apart from a few exceptions - the overwhelming majority of the rejections came from exactly these bots that of course dont have a problem with night sessions.
And of course the location is easily verifiable with the visible house number 2a and the turning circle like it is mentioned in the additional info.
as i said, i would be happy to look into this, if niantic isnt able or doesnt have the manpower. This isnt rocket Science and i think a Niantic Employee could look over the Data in hours, not days, not weeks, and not 3 month.
Another Example for Nia-research from another thread. This is a world war memorial, so usually a fool-proof submission without heavy arguments against it.
Question for someone who might understand the weight of rejections vs approvals - if there's an army of rejection bots, would it be feasible to counter that with a coordinated review/approval effort from the German wayfarers? Like, pick a date/time and have a review party for an hour or two to move the good submissions through the system?
I'm sure it won't catch everything (and obviously not a permanent solution), but I recently reviewed a bunch of things pretty favorably and my progress bar went up a lot in that short timeframe, rating still at Great. So there must have been some solid approvals in there and new waypoints created from it.
I understand not wanting to review/not accumulate upgrades for the garbage auto-upgrade system, but that just means that the only "reviewers" left are bots, so maybe that's not the best response.
@NianticTintino-ING i think Niantic wouldnt have to know who has a date with who when reviewing. What is Niantics official wording for that?
I discovered the same weird things.
But recently, I submitted something clearly placed OFF the roads and some dude moved the spot straing ONTO the road. Finally, the candidate got rejected due to inaccurate location.
Honestly, the location was clearly visible on the additional pic.
Further, I spent hours of work placing an educational trail about trees. The trail contained 16 spots and tons of additional small info signs of all different trees in this area. "Obviously" most stops of the trail got rejected due to "Inaccurate location".
I must be fair enough at this point, the Google Maps doesn't know that path and I don't know how to add it to Google, but I made a note that this trail can be spotted at OSM. I asked a friend to do the same since I thought maybe it's on personal level from some wayfarer dudes, but she also came back a couple of days later that only 4 out of 22 submissions got accepted...
By the way: Why do we use OSM map ingame but for submissions we're still sticking with outdated Google Maps? This really makes it pretty often impossible to place candidates 100% correct.
"I don't know how to add it to Google."
You can use the Google Street View app to add photospheres to Google Maps.
That would be manipulation as well and that's not how we're supposed to respond to it. There is simply no way to deal with this without the intervention of a higher authority (Niantic, since they run the system).
The reports also show that it only needs very few rejections to **** the submission. No way to counter this through numbers.
neither location sensitive nor temporary. (actually a state approved lab for extracurricular research, a simple google gives the address) - nor k-12, nor a bad pic, nor - you name it - I think, about all of the qualifiers came back with this one. just an example. these systematically go for regions, according to ingress preferences.
With the dynamics I slowly come to believe in a bot system as well..... yet the proof would be with Niantic (@NianticCasey-ING maybe?)
I'd really wish for an opportunity to correlate rejections - like who all rejects/approves wayspots from whcih regions..
Manipulation? For a wayfarer group to come together and have a reviewing party? I hardly think so. No one is saying to rate a specific way, only to spend time reviewing to move submissions through the system. There's nothing stopping a local wayfarer community group from doing something like this simply as a fun activity anyway, no different from playing something like Pokemon Go together.
Regardless, if only a few rejections are needed to tank something, maybe it wouldn't meet the intent. Still, moving submissions through the system before a bot attack can reject them is something. I don't think we should stop reviewing because that just gives the bad actors more influence.
What criteria does this business / directional sign meet?
Even if the reviewers will do, they had already lost so many agreements that they've lost of interest to review. Besides, ineligible nominations stil need to be rejected.
Things would be different if Niantic fix and reopen nomination appeals...
I rejected that. It is a sign that points to a ... , well what is it? You named it a "Place for Maker and Coder".
Do i have to google this?
It doesnt meet any criteria. Maybe the "Z-Lab" itself? But not a f* sign.
It's a shame we even have to consider things like this
Having a reviewing party will increase the chance of agreements, though. You just need more people actually reviewing to get agreements. Reviews go fast anyway, so you can easily make up for disagreements just by doing a few more. And no one said anything about accepting everything, only getting people together to review.
In practice, it's not different at all from the country focus weeks (whatever it is they're called), except on a smaller scale.
I agree things would be easier if Niantic just fixed things. And reviewing would be more appealing if we could stockpile upgrades. But Niantic isn't doing anything at a pace other than glacial. I'm just saying we can choose to do something ourselves, as a wayfarer community.
No matter how you look at it, reviews need to happen. People are just deciding not to do them. I don't blame them; I also stopped this week to see how one of my nominations does on the local level without an upgrade. But I would be inclined to join a community event because at that point I'm working on helping the community, not just myself. That's the ultimate point, anyway.
Niantic really needs to handle this, but...
Would this be a good case for bonus location donations? I wonder how many sane reviewers it would take to outvote the bot army. Mine frees up at the end of April.
That's risky, if it isn't enough then you'd be trapped reviewing wayspots that will all be rejected and it would **** your rating if you rated them honestly.
It's a nice idea, but I was just tossing ideas out myself. It would need to be a well-organized event before anyone should think about jumping over to Germany, and of course you're stuck there until your location rolls over again.
That said, I had no issue racking up half of the way toward an upgrade in a couple hours. I don't know much about where these bots are supposed to be affecting, or when. But if it's sporadic time frames like it's kind of been sounding like, and you're interested in Germany anyway, then you can still find a lot of success. More reviewers will get more stuff pushed through, bots or not. Sounds like we need someone favorable to trail markers, at least. 😂
These are a few examples. Unfortunately I can only attach 19 things to this post, will add more examples in the following post. These are rejections with very questionable justifications from February 2022. There was a similar situation in October/November 2021. In this zone, almost everything is simply rejected. Niantic itself had already processed a few such contributions through the objection function and these were accepted. Therefore, my posts cannot be as bad as the community would like to show me here.
These are a few more examples in addition to the previous post
niantic should hire more own reviewers.
Imagine every player in that region submits just 1 perfect nomination. Just 1 per day.
ALL nominations in that region or upgrades nominations outside get rejected because of trolls or bots or ...
Every player wants to appeal that perfect nomination.
... every player in Germany or Swiss or ... can submit more than 1 nomination per day.
... every player in Germany or Swiss or ... is affected because of upgrades.
So every player ... every day ... got rejected ALL of the submissions and want to appeal their troll/bot rejections.
Title "Sportplatz Taura" ... sports ground Taura (name of the village)
upgrade received ... 19th march 2022 after midnight
rejection mail: 19th march 4:59
just one recejection reason
Is very sad to see something like this happening in our community. Here in Brazil, we're in this state of irregular rejection permanently, in some cases out of malice, like in your examples, and in others because people think that only churches and graffiti should be accepted. Luckily Niantic has started the appeal feature (which unfortunately is disabled at the moment). The Brazilian Wayfarer community is very horrible, and it's sad to know that the Germany community is too.
@NianticDanbocat , @NianticGiffard and @NianticVK - root of the problem might be detected.
The old thread about the 1st bot rejection wave, that was closed recently, included already work done by the community to localize the problem. @dustinyeeaah-PGO collected location from different reports in a map, can be seen here and here, and so there was this educated guess by me, that the reason is somewhere in the two S2 cells, that are around Munich (München), since the bot rejection wave was correlated
why these two cells? The usual rules of thumb for the distribution of candidates for the reviewing process uses 9 S2 level 6 cells. Lots of the examples from above, that are from Northern Germany are Upgraded nominations or from regions with crazy high prioritization fo the algorithm, so that most likely the 9-cell-rule isnt applied for them too.
That would have been the part, where the Nia abuse team should have to start their work, but we couldnt see activity in here. The 1st bug wave ended in December without help. Our Germans were appeased due to the release of the appeal-feature, but then again dissappointed by not processing the appeals for a long time. And then the 2nd bot rejection wave appeared ....
Now we have a 2nd bot wave here. We collected again lots of unjustified rejections, for example in this thread.
But in another thread, where I complained about Nia rejecting an appeal of an hiking trail marker, @Juleswtal-PGO dropped a big hint in there:
These are featured wayspots from the town Kempten. Kempten is south west of Munich and therefore in the central cells of bot wave 1. And the featured wayspots there are all hiking trail markers. Even without bot rejections hiking trail markers are most likely rejected for unknown reasons since ever in Germany. Submitting them is a hard business, especially when they are in civilized area. In the woods they are possible to get them accepted within a few attempts, but right next to houses you have a hard time as a submitter ....
Second important thing: Kempten is already known for lots of Fakes and the town has a backstory in this forum like lots of other towns in the Allgäu region in Southern Bavaria and Southern Baden-Württemberg .....
So what we found:
There are a lot of new ****-portals at Kempten, that pop open there, while there is a big rejection wave everywhere around them. Normal streetsigns, normal street lanterns, benches without anything special at them ...... (list of this at the end).
And @LukeAllStars-ING managed to identify the root of this:
Since my PCs browser shows me only white pages, here the screenshots from my phone:
Especially look at this offer: 50 Upgrades for 60€ .....
In Germany by law the minimum wage per hour for honest work is roughly 10€ ..... how can a person farm 50 Upgrades within less than 6 hours? This offer can only be bot based. This explains also all the other offers, where 100% acceptance for submissions is promised.
Btw: Niantic abuse team could have found this towns cabal earlier during bot wave 1 ..... I mentioned it in the 1st thread already in this post.
Title: Bushaltestelle (=bus stop)
An ordinary bus stop, that isnt considered to be a transit hub, and the portal is right in the middle of farming area.
Title: Auf d. Halde/ Heiligkreuzer Str. (the streetnames of the location)
again an ordinary bus stop.
Title: Heiligkreuzer Str. /Spechtweg (again streetnames)
Title: Futterstelle (=feeding site)
a random bird house ....
Title: Fledermaushaus (= bat house)
Title: 70 Zulässige Höchstgeschwindigkeit (= speed limit 70km/h)
Title: Landschaftsschutzgebiete (=nature preserved area)
again a normal streetsign. The board at the bottom is not educational. It's generic rules about how to behave in a nature preserved area. Not even a name of the area mentioned anywhere.
Title: Ortsschild Heiligkreuz
ordinary city limit sign.
again ordinary city limit sign.
ordinary signpost out of town. The signs at the bottom are names of nearby farms, and even a postal inbox ....
private bee hives. don't know how this is treated .... farmland? private property? no safe access? but of course not eligible anyway ....
again ordinary bus stop. but two portals. One for each direction.
Title: Hartnägel Stadteinwärts / Hartnägel Stadtauswärts
Location: https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=47.751731,10.298214&z=17&pll=47.751731,10.298214 https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=47.751743,10.298537&z=17&pll=47.751743,10.298537
Again: one ordinary bus stop, tow portals for two directions.
Title: Ortsschild Kempten
ordinary town limit sign post.
generic business. This company produces components for trucks. https://mildner.eu/
Duplicate at a roundabout:
Title: Oberwang/P+R stadtauswärts
again ordinary bus stop.
Title: Sargnagelautomat (at lest the title is creative: coffin nail dispenser)
ordinary cigarette dispenser ...
Title: Straßenlaterne (= street lantern)
Title: Sitzgelegenheit (= seat accomodation)
a bench without anything special ....
Title: Lichtlein (=small light)
Title: Abenteuerspielplatz Thingers
playground is part of a daycare
Title: Getrennter Rad- und Gehweg (= split between pedestrians and bikers paths)
ordinary street sign ....
Title: Eingeschränktes Halteverbot (= limitted stopping restriction)
ordinary street sign ...
Title: Getrennter Rad- und Gehweg (=split between pedestrian and bikers paths)
ordinary street sign
Title: Packstation (= parcel station)
A place, where you can get your parcel, when the postal service didnt encounter you at home ....
Title: Excalibank (= excalibench)
again an ordinary bench ..... with strange title ....
Come on, Niantic, you have to finally do something about it after all this...
Yepp. Nia had 5 months time to find this, failed or didnt even try ....
Now they have lots of homework:
getting rid of the bots and even worse the software behind it. Find more customers like Kempten. Do something, that the reviewing process isn't such vulnerable against that stuff. And I also expect them to re-review German, Austrian and Swiss rejections since October ....