Statues in the river (Bremen-Süd +α)
MagicalThorn-ING
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Hi, @NianticGiffard , @NianticTintino.
I found something on IntelMap that I'm interested in, can you have a look at it with me?
Next to Bremen there is a Bundesland called ”Land Nordrhein-Westfalen”.
Among them,I was particularly interested in a Wayspot not far from Bremen.
The surrounding area is a feast for the eyes, with lush green forests, idyllic fields and the beautiful river Kloster.
However, I saw that there is a next Wayspot.
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(1)
Title of the Wayspot:Der Mensch Lebt Nicht Von Brot Allein
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=52.981527,8.707167&z=18
The German title "Der Mensch Lebt Nicht Von Brot Allein" means, in English, "Man does not live by bread alone".
Google Street View
The object exists in the river Kloster.
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(2)
While you're at it, take a look at this Wayspot near here, It is actually supposed to be standing on the shore, but on Google Maps it is submerged in the river, so please correct its position.
Title of the Wayspot:Grüner Ring - Region Bremen
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=52.98231,8.707893&z=19
(I wonder where the right place is?
I don't know. So this may be an impossible request!)
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It's a great opportunity for you to enjoy a walk in the air with me with Intel Map.
To the nearby High School South Delmenhorst.
(3)
Title of the Wayspot:Blücherweghalle
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.026888,8.626572&z=17
Hmmm.
You can see that the hall next to the South Delmenhorst Secondary School building, called Blücherweg, is a Wayspot.
If you search for it, you will see adults using it, however on Google Maps it seems to me to be too close to the school building.
By the way, there is an official website of the school.
Oberschule Süd Delmenhorst
Here, let's get a little closer to Bremen.
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(4)
Title of the Wayspot:Denkmal zum Tanzen
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.056779,8.730376&z=17
"Denkmal zum Tanzen" can be translated as "Dancing Monument".
This is ROBINSBALIE Primary School.
You can find out more about the school on the following websit
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(5)
Title of the Wayspot:The Bird
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.056792,8.730222&z=19
Google Street View
https://goo.gl/maps/7eb1nVJMvr5FZ5BU9
The following web site states that this place is
"120 Childcare places in the primary sector for children are 3 - 6 years".
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(6)
Title of the Wayspot:Raumschiff General Spinaxis
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.053306,8.78681&z=17
(7)
Title of the Wayspot:Fontäne at the Airport
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.053054,8.787243&z=19
Google Street View
https://goo.gl/maps/cyM4nLXvuGxXJzEG8
These two are located in a pond.
Strictly speaking, you can't walk up to them.
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(8)
Title of the Wayspot:Gestrandetes Schiff
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.037191,8.826768&z=18
This seems to be the garden of the kindergarten "KITA Stichnathstraße".
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(9)
Title of the Wayspot:Gaudi In Kattenturm
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.033652,8.830992&z=17
(10)
Title of the Wayspot:Schachtisch Aus Stein
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.033678,8.830587&z=18
(11)
Title of the Wayspot:Löwe
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.033678,8.830587&z=18
(12)
Title of the Wayspot:Kattenturmer Ruine
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.033678,8.830587&z=18
You can see the photographer's finger in the top left corner.
(13)
Title of the Wayspot:Steinsäule im Kattenturmer Steingarten
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.033485,8.830427&z=18
(14)
Title of the Wayspot:Holzpferde
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.033485,8.830427&z=18
(15)
Title of the Wayspot:Musik an der Wand
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.033008,8.830475&z=18
(16)
Title of the Wayspot:Seilbahn
Location:https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.032969,8.830475&z=18
These (9) to (16) are located, as you can see on the Google Map.
They are located in the grounds of the School Links der Weser.
GYMNASIUM
LINKS DER WESER
Bremen Obervieland
Please check these.
Comments
Hi @NianticGiffard, @NianticTintino and @NianticDanbocat , I will say this upfront, these are reports who are targeting me, since I am a player in this city. @MagicalThorn-ING is a player from Japan who has been abusing the reports function for quite a while and I have been hinting at his wrongdoings in his threads by asking him for actual reports including the normal abuse form and so on. He believes that I would mind him stalking my city for whatever he believes is abuse.
I am in no matter defending any abusive or non-existent poi. In fact I report them myself. But since this is a targeted "attack" I would ask you to truly bring him to follow the formal abuse procedure, since he has never reported anything outside of Japan. He is using for an example google satellite and streetview, which due to laws, is outdated in Germany for almost 10 years. Ask him for geo tagged photos, ask him for the proper rejection mail and have trust that we locally will keep the quality of the poi up to date, through the slow official way.
I would ask you to look twice at what he is reporting. For an example I see him tagging churches as kindergarten, while in fact there is a distinct difference between the actual church and possible day care centers attached to a church. He is also tagging public playground spaces or public sports facilities close to schools as belonging to them with no real way to check on any of these. If you would warn him for abusive behavior, you wouldn't be in the wrong. ; )
@NianticGiffard please stop this person.
His rate of false claims is too damn high. What they do is simply waste of time for evryone ..... please save your time, his time, @ftzzghzuhdidu-ING 's time, and my time ..... not only in this thread ....
(2) bullsh1t claim. using is schematic gmap is soooo dumb .... here the sat view, that is fully plausible:
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(3) This gym is in dual use. It might be used by the school in the morning and noon, and afternoon and evening it is used by sports clubs. For example the local gymnastics club:
https://www.delmenhorster-tv.de/halle-bluecherweg/
So wayfarer (nominator and reviewers) did a great job here - the wayspot is at the side away from the school, and its fully valid imho.
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(6) & (7) seriously? this water is ~10cm deep (hinted by the drain, which can be seen in the dirty water). This is safe accessible. Only dangeraspects are wet shoes.
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(9)-(16)
This is pure impudence, or incompetence. Especially claiming these 4 as invalid:
Look at the wayspot picture of Kattenturmer Ruine (https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.033966,8.829536&z=17&pll=53.033966,8.829536) . This picture shows, that the area is accessible for evryone from the streets pavement. According to OSM it is not school ground and it is connected to the park around the little river, that is by far not considered to be schoolgound.
Further does this map show, that not the full building complex is a school. There is a tagg for "Bürgerhaus Obervieland" (website: https://www.bgo-bremen.de/ ), where you can see, that this is a space for social projects. "Bürgerhaus" translates to "citizen house" (literally).
According to the OSM the parts of the building complex arent connected. So the school is only the southern part. So Wayspot Gaudi in Kattenturm (https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.033652,8.830992&z=17&pll=53.033652,8.830992) is also public accessible and far away from the school area.
Further the parking area in the north-eastern end of the area is mentioned as parking area for the school (Gymnasium) and the Bürgerhaus:
Streetview is given. There is no barrier, and also nowhere "teachers only" signs or anything, that hints, that this would be school only area.
Obviously there are no fences. The school is connected to a park-like area around the small river.
The gym at the area
As I mentioned in another thread school gyms are often also in dual use. In the morning and noon for schools, in the afternoon and evening for sports clubs. In OSM gym here is named after the town area, not the school. This is our first hint, that it is not school exclusive used.
For further information this gym is hard to do google searches for, since the schools name is bad for google searches ("Links der Weser" translates to "left of river Weser" .... not very unique). But I found this pdf:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiPg_n9vovzAhVc_rsIHZL4BqIQFnoECAcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.soziales.bremen.de%2Fsixcms%2Fmedia.php%2F13%2FSportentwicklungsplanung%2520Mai%25202017_01_final.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3DOb1K3Ig86BHq4l_9FLcP
It's a lengthy report about sport facility development and usage of the town government. This gym here is mentioned as mainly occupied by the school. The numbers from both tables at page 149 say, that two-thirds of the opening times are used by the school. So obviously it has to be in dual use for sports clubs, according to these numbers.
So .... what should Nia do?
After doing my research this area should be considered to be the school without any doubt:
Holzpferde is too close to the buildings with classrooms and should be deleted.
Musik an der Wand is at the main entrance of the dual used and public accessible gym. It is far away from the classroom buildings, so it should definitely stay imho.
Seilbahn is a bit difficult. You can see a lot of playground area there around the gym. Since the school is a secondary school (so for age 11-18) it doesnt really fit the pupils age spectrum, so I guess it's also considered to be public accessible, when the schoolday ends. So if the building in the south is part of the school, it would be in range of it, but I don't know, what it is. So imho wayfarer did a great job here: a public accessible playground has a wayspot, and it's located as far away from the nearby school as possible. Without information about the building in the south, I would recommend, that this wayspot should stay in the network, because in dubio pro reo.
Btw:
the style of your pathetic introduction is absolutely sickening. And the name of the federal state, that surrounds the free city of Bremen, is Niedersachsen (=Lower Saxony), not Nordrhein-Westfalen (North Rhine-Westphalia)....
Seems to be a long walk, that you did. Few hundred km's, did you already arrive?
While I agree with most of what you are pointing out, we've seen Niantic be far more agressive towards K-12 than what you are saying here. We have seen churches being removed for being "in the same property" of a school, even when they were in different buildings. We saw a guy trying to remove a church by saying that "the school uses it", by posting pictures of children in uniforms in the church, and getting some support from the forums regarding this...
We need a good question related to this in AMA.
And this post waited for 16 hours to be approved...
@NianticGiffard this post is similar to my last one, since it is the same topic.
I would like for you to handle this thread the same way as you did with the other one:
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/115260/#Comment_115260
This is the same kind of doxing he did in the other thread. I also believe he purposefully posted the threads at the start of the weekend, knowing you can warn him only once after he has posted all three threads. Please ask him for the ingame reports, as we all normally provide. Thank you.
Hello @MagicalThorn-ING, as stated in the other two threads, please report these Wayspots through in-game.
Hi @NianticGiffard and @NianticVK , I am not sure if you or another staff member have by mistake fallen into this thread of previous abusive reporting and doxing, but some wayspots which are part of a park seem to have been removed with the previous sync. These have been mentioned by Rachermannl in the quoted post already. Take a look again at his reasoning and restore these please. If the creator of this thread is again at fault for falsely removing the wayspots, especially if he cannot provide local photo proof, remember that he has been warned already and was only one step close to losing his posting privilege in the forum over this. Deal with the issue as needed. Thank you.
This is a thread I set up as an OP.
If you have something to say then you should start your own thread.
and not only those 4 .... all the others around there are gone too. Ridiculous.
Hi @NianticGiffard and @NianticVK , please take a look at my message, the issue at hands and give us an update on the topic. Thanks.
Hi, @NianticGiffard . @NianticVK .
It's very unfortunate, It seems that one people do not heed advice from me.
Apparently, he is trying to usurp this thread that I have started, without even starting a thread himself.
It is not my intention to have my thread taken over. So please, can you close this thread?
:-)
Since more of these portals, that you mentioned in the initial post, disappeared, it's obvious, that you are most likely the reason for this. I guess following the new possibility to edit and report from evrything from evrywhere ingame ....
This way you only circumvented my big post from above, that destroyed most of your **** reports.
So this thread is the fully correct one, and you don't have any rights to call for censorship actions. This is simply [REDACTED] behaviour, since all this seems to be doxing actions afaik.
@NianticGiffard @NianticVK it is time for you to circle around to this topic. As mentioned above, portals have been removed which have been the focus of this thread. Please report to us how this removal came to be so late, reinstate the portals and if it is the fault of MagicalThorn, who has been warned for this behavior, then please punish him. Among all the fake portals in the world, having someone non-local try to remove leggit portals by lying is a shame. Don't let it happen.
Hi guys! I'll close this thread since I can sense some tension in the air.
Not to worry, we'll check it and take appropriate actions if required.
We took another look at the reported Wayspot and standby our decision to retire the Wayspot in question.