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NorfosAlus-PGO
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Honestly there's just too much ineligible waypoints being nominated in Poland. I would say that's usual but why are they getting accepted as well?
Or am i wrong, and post boxes are eligible?
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Honestly there's just too much ineligible waypoints being nominated in Poland. I would say that's usual but why are they getting accepted as well?
Or am i wrong, and post boxes are eligible?
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They are not.
Some people think because post offices are eligible, these package drop stations are too. They are not. In your area, there must have been enough of these people reviewing to make it through.
Unfortunately, because Niantic won't remove things that don't meet acceptance criteria (only that do meet rejection criteria), that Wayspot is probably in Lightship to stay. This means that more people will see it and think they are eligible because there's already one in. That's one way things that shouldn't be eligible become locally eligible (without cheating). You will probably see more and more in the future.
When a waypoint is invalid, often you can change the title/description to say what it really is. Like "Package drop station". After the edit goes through, an invalid report is more likely to work.
There's no removal criteria that would fit these wayspots.
Changing the title doesn't make sense, the title already states that those are parcel lockers, you'd only create extra works for reviewers trying to guess why you've sent an edit that doesn't improve the wayspot.
Jak dla mnie sprawa ostatecznie została wytłumaczona w poście https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/29383/a-slate-of-low-quality-submissions-being-accepted
You misunderstood the response from Niantic. Niantic only removes things that violate a few rules: K-12, safe pedestrian access, duplicates, and fake wayspots mostly. The removal criteria is not the same as the rejection criteria. They don't remove, for example, generic businesses, generic street signs, generic benches, graffiti, etc., but reviewers should not approve them.
Też uważam że w mniejszych miejscowościach jak moja gdzie nie ma państwowych placówek pocztowych to właśnie tzn. paczkomaty przejęły ich rolę dlatego są w pełnił do zaakceptowania
Czyli paczkomaty można dodawać jako nominacje pokestopów i pozytywnie rozpatrywać przy ocenianiu.
Według mnie spełnia kryteria akceptacji
I have no idea what y'all are saying, i'm not Polish lol
No, they aren't. Even if one of them was mistakenly approved as shown in this thread.
Niantic needs a rule to punish wayfinders who nominate clearly ineligible things even if they get approved
The problem with that is Niantic's guidelines are intentionally vague and they consistently decline to add clarifications to them in Wayfarer. On top of that, even the criteria from the Wayfarer page aren't provided anywhere in the games themselves. For something abusive like a dog or a foot, I agree, but Niantic has to fix their education/communication problems before we talk about penalizing low-quality submissions.
Even the people in this thread saying they are eligible (the Polish comments) I don't think they're doing it maliciously. Post offices are eligible, but why? It's not written by Niantic in the Wayfarer education material what makes them eligible. People see package stations and think they're basically post offices so they must be eligible.
Actually, Niantic states that post offices are eligible because they bring people together through communication.
But they don't state it anywhere in the Wayfarer Criteria section. That's my point. (I meant anywhere in the Niantic "education" material. I'll edit that.)
What about post offices makes them "a great place to socialize"? They don't have meetings. People walk in to pick up and drop off mail. You can do that at these package stations. So what is it that Niantic thinks makes them eligible over package stations? That's not clarified in the Wayfarer criteria section.
Unfortunately Niantic is very bad at compiling criteria clarifications and keeping them up to date. This one in particular has been around since before 2017 but along the way the reasoning was lost.https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/440/post-offices-that-are-shops-in-shops/Comment_3820
NianticPooja said "
Hi Everyone,
After reviewing the examples in the thread, we want to clarify that these would not be eligible Wayspots. Apologies for the confusion caused by the earlier reply.
As mentioned here, Standalone Post Offices are eligible and can be 5*ed. Post boxes and post offices part of other businesses are not eligible. We'll include a few examples in the help center soon but in the mean time, feel free to post your questions below."
The link in the post was lost but this is wat it used to say: Post offices - Eligible, as long as they are standalone buildings rather than individual postboxes, windows, etc.
the reasoning from operation portal recon (the precursor to wayfarer) was
Candidate: Post Office
Policy: Accept
Suggested Vote: ★★★★
ACCEPT. Connects and unites people around the world.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190308131229/https://plus.google.com/+NIAOps/posts/Uw3rzL352Ut
Thanks for that link for future reference, but I do want to make clear I wasn't debating post office or package station eligibility. Just pointing out that a lot of coal is due to Niantic being poor at communication, not submitters submitting in bad faith.
package stations are temporary while post offices stays for years, and even if they do change locations they won't just dissapear like a package station. how about Niantic clarifies their eligibility @NianticDanbocat @NianticGiffard
Hi @NorfosAlus-PGO! We have reviewed the report and have taken action on the 12 Wayspots and the Wayfinder in accordance with our policies. While we are unable to discuss our actions in detail to protect the submitter’s privacy, they may include, but are not limited to, sending a warning message, placing restrictions on their Wayfarer, Pokémon GO, or Ingress account, putting their account on probation, or placing a temporary or permanent suspension on their Wayfarer, Pokémon GO or Ingress account.
Thanks for helping us maintain the quality of the Wayspots.
@NianticGiffard
Według mnie nie słusznie nałozyłeś na Wayfinder -a ograniczenie
Powody:
1) Dałeś do zrozumienia że każdą nominacje można zgłosić na forum wayfarer mój znajomy ma razem 11 902 odrzucony nominacji czy to znaczy że może za każdym razem zrobić wpis na forum wayfarer gdy nominacja mu się nie spodoba ??
2) Każdy oceniający przeszedł test wayfarera oraz zapoznał się wytycznymi, nominacja pewnie była by odrzucona przez społeczność ale ty uznałeś że musisz sam wycofać nominacje i nie liczyć się z ocenami oceniających
3) Wayfinder który wystawił nominacje a ma teraz ograniczony dostęp do wayfarera nawet nie wie co się stało za co dostał ograniczenie oraz nie poznał kryterium odrzucenia
4) Zastaniam czy jest sens wystawiać nominację bo ja uznam obiekt za wartościowy i go wystawie a oceniający uzna że nie nadaję na Wayspota i zamiast dać 1 gwiazdkę to zgłosi nominacje na forum wayfarera a ty nałożysz ograniczenie na konto wayfarera lub konto gry
Stąd mój apel zdjemnij ograniczenia z Wayfarera oraz przywróć jego nominacje w tryb głosowania a my już je odpowiednio ocenimi po to w końcu ty jesteśmy i oceniamy
Well this sets a precedent that nominating postage boxes can even be punishable.