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Problem is Niantic employees haven't pressed the button to activate new spawn points in over a year, which makes exploring and submitting new Wayspots in rural areas with no spawns just a waste of time from a Pokémon GO-perspective. Mentioned in:
Over a Year Without a Spawn Point Update : TheSilphRoad (reddit.com)
You still are a 0.x % of people that care about it. My point with "don't blame players" is that the current system and limitations makes no sense and it's not a surprise if it is abused. If they want to care about the quality, what they need to do is change the system at its roots, not blame players because of their (Niantic's) poor implementation.
Does it makes sense to you that two pokestops, 0.5 meters away from each other, show up on PoGo (and not Ingress now) because they are in different cells but not another pokestop 50 meters away because it is in the same L17 S2 cell?
I play both Ingress and PoGo and this is just a poor implementation, even leaving out the abuse part. No need to defend that just because these are the rules and everything they make and say is the better thing to do.
Thanks for the questions. At this time I can share that we are cleaning abusive location edits and refining good ones. As Danbocat shared, this is only affecting .0009% of Wayspots globally.
Thanks for the questions. At this time I can share
You had my attention here.
that we are cleaning abusive location edits and refining good ones.
You had lost me here.
As Danbocat shared, this is only affecting .0009% of Wayspots globally.
And this causes me to log out from the board.
Just out of curiosity, does the database really contain over 1.6 billion Wayspots? (If my math is correct, that would have to be the starting number for the previously mentioned 15k Wayspots to constitute 0.0009% of the total. Please correct me if this calculation is wrong!) That's an extraordinary number!
You calculation is correct. But the number given by Niantic is not correct, they have probably messed up the number/percentage.
I think it has been clarified it's 0,09% of the global number Waypoint or total number X 0,0009.
(Edited as I messed up with numbers too ^^•)
Can you keep us (local communities) updated about when the location edits have been maid in each city ?
In order to continue submission of new local locations edits and explain to locals when and why some places are locked. Communication please ^^ @NianticTintino
I'm not loving the chances of their changes being beneficial if counting the number of POIs they have is beyond them
Has anyone noticed changes in the first 3 cities yet?
What part of the criteria encouraging wayspots that will encourage people to explore. The survey marker isn't meant to be all that exciting. But many of them are located in places that are interesting to visit and lack a sculpture or a ballpark because they're on the top of a mountain. The point of the markers is to get wayspots out in places that people will have to hike and explore to get to.
The survey markers that @TooLegitToExist-ING is referring to are the small disc types that are ubiquitous in residential neighbourhoods, they don't really encourage exploration except for rare instances.
thanks for the information. People are losing interest here in submitting Wayspots. You can read about it when you read @dustinyeeaah-PGO links that he posted on 1st of April (that wasnt a joke).
I know that this information isnt "Wayfarer-Related", but it is wayfarer-related indeed, and i think it is a vital thing that people are now realizing that their efforts are basicly pointless for most of the people.
There is no other place we can bring this up (besides TSR) - if we tell this to the "Niantic Automated Chatbot", it is like talking to the wall.
No. I am careful to watch near my house because I submitted Edit Location there. But these are not changed. It may not even notice it because Edit Location does not change much in the first place.
@NianticTintino-ING is there any reason that London got crossed off the list?
Especially if the Niantic team will be in London for May Community Day, you’d think it would be a ‘two birds’ arrangement.
Maybe it’s already been done?
It got crossed off the 2nd group of cities (late April) and added to the 1st (early April) instead
I'm seeing a lot of Twitter and Reddit posts complaining about location edits in New York that have been messing about with wayspots in Pokémon Go, so I'm guessing that New York is being worked on right now?
Wow, that one sucks, like genuinely why wpuld the empire state buildi g be needing g edited? It's a big building, there would be no reason to move it, so instead a gym that really would have been well represented in game is gone, which will lead to several empire state building submissions soon
It looks like someone had previously moved the Wayspot slightly to the south just to open up the cell for another Wayspot to be added to Pokemon Go (back when you could take advantage of an exploit). Niantic moved the ESB Wayspot back to its original location with predictable results. I wouldn't be surprised if a similar store plays out in other locations in NYC.
@TheFarix-PGO Thanks for the insight.
This is yet one more example of why people shouldn't move stuff to manipulate cells.
So does this mean that maybe there will in the future be a hierarchy of PoI? Maybe things like the Empire State Building bump what ever is there...
And yet, Niantic gets the blame for the consequences of fixing the manipulation. Little to no blame is placed on the PoGo players that originally exploited and manipulated the system to generate extra Pokestops.
It might have been exploiting a loophole but at the end of the day, it was still in the correct place before the edit (who's to say where is moved to now is more correct than what it was). Everyone will want to "game" the system, thats a fact if life in general, but that gaming of the system improved pogo without any detriment to any other game or even the poi board, now its been moved to the detriment of pogo whilst also making g the bizarre anomaly of the empire state building not being a gym (or stop, not sure if that also was a result)
If I'm visiting NYC, I'm expecting that there's a huge gym located at the empire state building, and if I don't see even a pokestop, definitely I'm going to nominate it.
Good move Niantic/s
Niantic gets the blame for creating a flawed system that encourages abuse in the first place...
If the "inclusion rules" weren't so strict, people wouldn't feel as inclined to move wayspots around to fill the board in more. Not to mention the lack of a reasonable method to select which stops get upgraded to gyms...
Niantic's Pokémon Gym generation program in Pokémon GO is a poor program that is abused by abusive players.
Unfortunately, the Pokémon GO community also praises such abusive players, mistaking them for dedicated players.
Therefore, the responsibility for this lies with all Pokémon GO players and the community.
The only responsibility Niantic has to bear is that the Lightship database will become a junk quality database that will not generate any money.
Poor New York players. The game is literally unplayable for them now...
I don’t get the leap in logic that because a few players in some places did wrongly manipulate POI locations, that means the whole Pokémon Go community is to blame.
The vast majority of PoGo players have no understanding or awareness of how gyms appear. All they will see is what they thought was ok has now been changed.
I strongly suspect that a fair chunk of those edits occurred pre-pogo granting access …… so ingress players involved even now edits have to be agreed by the wider community - a mix of PoGo and Ingress. Although PoGo has far more players it is a smaller subset that edit, review etc.