Tired of Ingress Stealing my Approved Nominations
As you can guess, I do not play ingress. When I nominate, the ideal weather for best light and blue sky is summer. So I want good pictures. Multiple times I’ve had nominations approved only for them to go to Ingress and not GO.
It’s hot outside. I do not waste my time for a game I do not care about. I nominate to improve areas for the PoGO community. Ingress can share IF GO gets it.
I got this approved recently
Saddlebrook West Bike Path #9
(38.9991694, -76.7459272)
It went to Ingress.
This one has been in GO for a while
Saddlebrook West Bike Path #3
(38.9993395, -76.7460134)
But due to a move edit or incorrect placement, it appears in the street instead of off the street which you can see the top of the sign if you zoom in. I’ve been trying to place it in the correct spot.
The next closest active POI was
Saddlebrook West Basketball Court
(38.9989511, -76.7456388)
This was a mistake that didn’t get rejected and it was a private residential basketball half-court. It only went to Ingress anyway. Ingress players sure abused it knowing it was not meant to be in game. We had it removed after we realized it wasn’t the HOA office. We had to use the Google Doc method as creating a lvl 1 Ingress account doesn’t seem to take reports seriously.
I don’t follow the cell stuff as people tend to fib locations to get new things approved. I put it exactly where it is. #9 should have been in GO because there is plenty of distance between it and #3 and the next closest one to where #9 should be is
Stretch Pole Exercise Station
(38.9988390, -76.7458581)
So there is plenty of room for #9 to be in GO. What irks me about this is that these two
Saddlebrook West Bike Path #6 and also #7
(39.0003273, -76.7460583)
Have two active POIs in GO and are are not too close together. Both are stops, and it works fine for the walking path in the area.
Ingress should not be getting things GO does not. It honestly makes nominating less appealing when the popular game gets robbed of a legit POI.
Niantic, you have it set up poorly in the current system. If it’s submitted in Ingress, Ingress should get it, and then the other games should if eligible. If submitted in GO and is approved, it needs to be in GO. Stealing it for Ingress is a rip-off and a waste of our time to use our work and efforts for a game we don’t play and technically a game that is somehow still surviving. I’m surprised HPWU ended but Ingress did not.
Here is another, older wayspot that Ingress stole but I submitted in GO.
Introduction
(39.0003101, -76.7425168)
We also have an exercise station stolen by Ingress but not in GO, too. The GO players are doing all the work but Ingress players are reaping all the rewards. I would like to be able to remove here locations and resubmit them or something to get them in GO. What is the incentive for us to continue to explore and nominate if it doesn’t benefit the game we play? Ingress can share it, sure, but that game does not get to be the only one to have my work. I do not agree nor do I consent to letting Ingress have it only. It’s either in GO or NO.
Please consider giving POIs submitted by GO players to GO. It is disheartening and frustrating to do all the work with signal issues, heat, waiting for approvals and all, only to have it stolen by a game that is pretty much obsolete compared to GO which made Niantic what it is today.
I would like to go into my lvl 1 ingress account to remove the wayspots in an attempt to resubmit and get in GO but there is no option to remove it for theft. I’ve seen many frustrated by this. The reason wayfarer is so slow at getting approvals is because we work hard to nominated and review, and we lose our work to a game we didn’t know existed until GO came out.
Please consider restoring approved wayspots from GO players to GO. If ingress wants sole custody, let those players submit them instead. They can do the work.
Also note, I’ve seen many wayspots and gyms literally stacked on top of one another. How is that fair?
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I disagreed. The actual point of Pokemon Go is to catch the things that exist in between the POI, and those things do not exist in Ingress. I'm a level 50 trainer and I made most of my in-game gains long before the map was so densely populated. The game has actually become a lot less fun for me of late because there's no challenge to it whatsover: eventually, everything rare and special is handed out like candy. I submit through Pokemon Go and through Ingress, mostly Ingress because of dark mode. I've made many many gyms and Pokestops, and of course even more portals. I just try to place stuff accurately and don't worry about what shows up where or even if it doesn't show up at all. Think of your Ingress-only accepted candidates as Pokestops-in-waiting if that helps: if the original item blocking the cell in Pokemon is removed for any reason, your previously-invisible-to-you candidate will be right there to take its place.
Ingress isn't "stealing" anything from Pokemon Go. Ingress isn't bad or evil. Ingress agents submitted most of the Pokestops and gyms that were in game for the years before Pokemon Go was launched, and I don't see them clamoring for removal of the Pokemon objects that were spawned.....even when new Pokemon objects might block a fine and valid candidate that's within 20 meters but in a different cell, so the new portal is "stolen" from them.
Many Pokestops and gyms were stacked together by malicious editors wanting yet more stuff on their game board of choice. Niantic has dealt with some of these abuses, but others remain to be fixed. It is possible to have Pokemon Go objects quite close legitimately, because Pokemon Go doesn't have a fixed distance restriction and so areas where cells intersect can be quite dense.
Despite the misleading text in the apps, we nominate "wayspots", not pokestops, gyms, or portals. Niantic has rules to decide which wayspots appear in which games. It's not the fault of Ingress players that Niantic has different wayspot rules for that game. They aren't "stealing" anything. It's entirely Niantic's decision.
You’re not nominating PokéStops, you’re nominating Wayspots that go into a variety of games (or not).
All the PokéStops that were live when they game launched (and many more since) came from Ingress. Would you want all of those removed?
Nothing is being “stolen”, you’ve still added to the Lightship database. Wayfarer and nominating things isn’t just Pokémon GO. We have a growing collection of games that use these Wayspots.
If it helps, not everything appears on Ingress now even
are you for real right now? lol
if you want to continue using wayfarer, you're going to need to learn how it works. all the hidden mechanics that niantic doesn't tell you about. if you care that much about the stuff you nominate going into the game you play, then you need to educate yourself about s2 cells. there are resources out there to help you. it'll cut down on some of your frustration. experienced wayfarers told me the same thing when i first started, and i tried not to pay them much mind because i was still nrlew and casual, but i quickly realized they were right and that i needed to utilize more tools to check if a wayspot will appear in a certain game or not.
for me, i personally don't bother nominating things that won't appear in pogo right now, because i don't play ingress and don't care much about niantic's future games at the moment. there are still lots of things i can nominate that are valid for pogo. if i ever run out of things to nominate and get bored, then sure, i'll probably start nominating stuff that won't appear in pogo. in fact i nominated something the other day as a backup in case one of my nominations doesn't get accepted. and now that the other one got accepted, it might not even appear in ingress if this one gets accepted.
if you see something that isn't in a free level 17 cell and there's no way to move the pin without it being inaccurate? skip it and move on.
you can complain about it all you want, but at the end of the day, that's just how it is. remember, it's YOUR choice to go outside, waste your time, and do all this free labor for niantic. no one is making you do anything. in some places it isn't feasible to nominate stuff all year long, so you may have to wait to nominate things in the summer or winter. if you don't do it, then probably someone else eventually will. you can continue playing your game, blissfully unaware of all the hidden mechanics that go into creating a valid pokestop, as you were before you discovered wayfarer. stop being stubborn and playing ignorant when the tools and resources to help you are out there — you just have to find them. do some research. there's a global chat server that is really helpful and educational about these things; i'm not sure if i can mention it here.
yeah, it stinks when something you nominate and get accepted doesn't appear in the game you play. different games have different rules for their gameboards. is it convoluted and potentially unfair? yes. is the process A LOT of work and probably not what you signed up for? yep. if only things were so simple as nominating a pokestop and getting it accepted as a pokestop. someday the rules might change, and maybe wayfarer will implement certain mechanics to make things easier, or just explain the process better so these misunderstandings don't happen as often, but for now you need to learn the process, or accept the rules and move on, or stop nominating stuff altogether.
Just poking through these on Wayfarer app.
It went to Ingress
Actually no (unless Ingress sync hasn’t happened yet) so it may be within 20m of the current Bike Path 3. It may be on other games. It is also within the same cell as Bike Path 3 and Pokémon GO only allows one Wayspot per level 17 cell
But due to a move edit or incorrect placement, it appears in the street instead of off the street which you can see the top of the sign if you zoom in. I’ve been trying to place it in the correct spot.
You're correct on this. Reported inaccurate location via the Wayfarer app but it won’t make any difference to Pokémon GO stops
I don’t follow the cell stuff as people tend to fib locations to get new things approved. I put it exactly where it is. #9 should have been in GO because there is plenty of distance between it and #3 and the next closest one to where #9 should be is
(explained why this isn’t the case above)
7 is at the edge of a cell and is the only Wayspot there so all good for a PokéStop. 6 is in the next cell so same applies.
As for the exercise station you have “Pull-Up Exercise Station”, “Sit-up Exercise Station” and then either “Balance Beam Exercise Station” or “Ring Walk Exercise Station”. For the last two they’re in the same cell, so only one for Pokémon GO, those are the rules the app decided on. You’re really crying over losing out on one Wayspot? 😆
Oh last one;
Again, one PokéStop per cell as decided by the app. In that cell you have “Saddlebrook West Tot Lot” already so you have a PokéStop there. 🤷
Your best way forward is either, stop submitting if you don’t want your contributions appearing in other games such as Ingress, Peridot, NBA All World or submit Wayspots that you think are eligible, acceptable and meet criteria and be happy that you’ve added to multiple games possibly and not just one.
Ingress hasn’t stolen a thing. Ingress, and it’s agents, will have contributed more to Pokémon GO than you will ever likely realise or appreciate.
One last quick thing;
Can you let me know where? I’d like to check them on the Wayfarer app and then report if badly placed. 😆
I don't really play ingress, I have it in my phone but after 3 years I'm only a level 4. I'm a level 50 pogo player though. I manly submit stuff for pogo using the cell system since that is my priority but when I can I sub for ingress only wayspots. I think that we should help each other out, ingress players made a lot of PokéStops for us in the earlier days.
Yes we know 99% of the nominations are solely done by/for Pokemon GO but Niantic decide things, if you dont want to ingress or any other game to ''steal'' then just nominate via pogo in open cells, if the cell are occupied already and even if there is a wonderful statue or something just dont send it and nobody will ''steal'' your nominations
@ClassicBoonie-PGO Bear in mind that Ingress players spent years populating the portal database that was "stolen" by Pokemon Go when the game launched. Pokemon Go wouldn't exist if Ingress players hadn't made it possible.
(No, I don't really think the Ingress portal network was stolen by PoGo. I'm well aware that the wayspot database is a Niantic asset, and that every wayspot I submit could wind up being used by any, all, or none of Niantic's games.)
Don't blame a game because you refuse to learn how your game (my game, too) works. PGO has rules about cells and only allowing 1 POI per cell to appear in the game. If you continue to nominate without taking that into consideration you have no one to blame but yourself.
Once upon a time, Niantic had no real rules on "spacing" for PoGo, and you could have several stops / gyms in a cell. Then the PoGo community figured out how the Niantic system for Gym creation worked based on the number of Stops within an S14 Cell, and the abuse began. Stops were submitted, usually in the correct place, accepted and appeared in game. They were then moved, often by groups of players all collaborating, using the "unlimited distance" edit feature to place stops in incorrect locations purely to generate Gyms. These Gyms were then moved again to create "Gym Clusters" in certain locations, so every PoGo item was a Gym.
Eventually, after a lot of complaints, Niantic finally accepted that there was a massive amount of abuse and cheating in the PoGo game regarding locations, Stops and Gyms, removed some of these massive Gym clusters and brought in "new" rulesat the end of last year. These abusive loction edits and subsequent Portal moves also had impacts in the Ingress. This is why:
Only one PoGo stop/Gym is now allowed in game per S17 cell instead of multiple Stops - to prevent abuse by PoGo players.
Location edits can now only be requested via the apps if the distance is less than 10m - over 10m you have to make a request in these forums. The "unlimited" distance facility via the app is gone - this is to prevent edit / location abuse by PoGo players
If an existing Gym is moved by a location edit, either via the app or through a request in here, the Waypoint will not retain it's Gym status when moved, and it will also then have to conform to the new spacing rules detailed above. This is to prevent the creation of Gym "clusters" and location abuse by PoGo players.
It's not the "fault" of Ingress, and Ingress is not "stealing" your nominations.
Cool, but that doesn’t apply to everyone as far as intent behind nominations. All of the locations I’ve put in are at least 10m apart. But I walk around to do the effort in GO. So I would like to reap the benefits of my work. It’s hot out, my knee aches, and yet I do it. I do not work for free. If ingress wants to share my work, cool. But after it goes in GO. I would rather it not exist than be out of the game most people play as far as Niantic games are concerned.
Many GO players feel ripped off when they work hard for Ingress to get everything. Ingress is only alive because of GO I suspect. But that doesn’t mean it gets priority when the majority of the players never heard of Ingress until after GO came out.
If Ingress wants that portal only in that game, they can go and submit it themselves. But I make an effort to help the GO community and ingress can share in my work, but not take full custody of it. I’m the one making the effort. I’m the one who gets to say whether or not my work can be represented in an irrelevant game.
There are 2 ingress players in the area where I live. Before I moved here, they had 2 portals. One was a stop, one was a gym in GO. I increased that number to over 20 total combined. They were here for years prior and so were the real world objects the portals represent. There’s no reason why they didn’t put them in prior.
I don’t mind sharing, but I do mind being taken advantage of when I work for no reward.
I get ingress players started a lot but that’s because GO wasn’t around first. Pokémon is older than ingress after all. And not all of the original stops are from ingress. They were taken from databases that had gps locations linked to them. All those ugly, green-tinted, sun-faded park signs? What camera does that? None. We’ve replaced each one we find, as GO players, at least when out raiding.
GO has not only surpassed Ingress in every way, but it’s also made the game obsolete. More players play GO, more nominate via GO, more scan AR stuff via GO. A lot of these locations would not have existed if it wasn’t for GO. I would say the amount of wayspots more than doubled since GO came out.
With that, I believe Niantic should make us feel appreciated for the hard work we are doing. We go out and find stuff, get good pictures, and more, we should be able to reap the benefits. GO is more popular so it makes sense to get MORE stuff in GO.
Or if it doesn’t get in GO, give us the option to decline putting it in other games. As I said, and all other GO players will agree with me, we do not mind sharing our work, but we do not like taking it and giving it to something else. We did the work. We have to deal with the bots and trolls and bad reviewers on wayfarer. We deserve to be rewarded with something in the game we play.
I'm not sure you fully read the comments that were given. Ingress is not taking your nomination in any way, shape, or form. You simply nominated something that won't show up in pokemon go due to its inclusion rules (which are different from ingress inclusion rules). If this still angers you (which clearly it does), Google s2 cells and pokemon go.
You’re nominating it into Lightship. Not into Pokémon GO.
It’s up to Niantic, and not you, as to where your nominations go.
Ingress players did all the work to make the Pokémon GO map viable when it first launched and continue to nominate things as well. If they took the same entitled attitude, Pokémon GO would have a lot less.
Either stop nominating if you don’t want your nominations in a variety of games, or keep nominating and stop getting upset. That’s your choices really.
It would be really nice if you stop for a moment and read what other people have written here.
And no matter what you think. You're working for free for Niantic.
Portal page because the Pokémon GO one isn’t linking to the right page but this is what you agree to when you submit.
Note About User-Submitted Content and Ownership
When you submit a Portal nomination to Niantic, we don’t claim ownership of that content. You still retain your rights to the content as the creator, but you do grant Niantic a license to use the content in any way we see fit. This means, for example, that we have your permission to use the Portal images and descriptions to create new in-game locations in Ingress, but we also have your permission to use them to create locations across different games. This is just a brief summary of how we use user-submitted content. For the full details, please review the Niantic Terms of Service.
I take the opposite approach. I consider it a flex that I make an impact on a game I don’t even play. I checked the Intel map earlier today and found that one of my submissions is an anchor for several fields that cover maybe 12-15% of town, and that made me smile.
Cool, that needs to be in every nomination as a disclaimer or we can change our mind if we are told where it will and will not go.
I agree, but not at the expense of it not going to the game that benefits me, my friends, my community, or even my family.
Honestly, this just comes across as you being selfish. If you aren't happy with the fact that your nominations benefit people other than yourself, then stop nominating things, rather than complaining that the system is working entirely as it should be (Niantic bugs not withstanding).
I've recently taken a couple of trips out into some rural areas with a friend who drives, just so that I could submit some new wayspots. Those wayspots won't really benefit me in any way as I don't drive myself, and as such I'm very rarely going to be in those areas in the future, but I'm not complaining about it. I've already seen that both Ingress and Pokémon Go players have been using some of the new wayspots I've created (not all of them are in both games), and that makes me happy knowing I've helped other people out. Why can't you be happy that you're potentially helping out other people?
But it’s not at Pogo’s expense. It doesn’t remove a Pokestop when you make a portal. You still have all the stops and gyms you had before. There is no cost paid by your friends or family.
There is a cost paid by YOU - your time, your effort - but they told you up front that not every submission would go into every game. If you didn’t read that part, it’s not their fault.
I can tell when I write about 30 drafts, with multiple quotes and responses, and then end up backing out of all of them....that it's time to simply block and step away from the keyboard for a bit. I'm gonna go catch some imaginary monsters with hats on instead of continuing an apparently pointless debate.
Thunderstorm going on so post doesn’t appear. Hope a bunch of repeats won’t show up. Not my intention. Changed to computer to try as it’s hardwired instead of wifi.
Look, not one GO player wants to do the work to nominate, go through the stresses of wayfarer, to not have it go into GO after being approved. Sharing is great. Do that instead. But it’s not kind to get someone to do all the work and not reward them. We wouldn’t do the work. We already work enough irl and are underpaid and over taxed. Lol
Perhaps make a new kind of wayspot in GO. My kid is playing Pokémon Sword currently. They have trees you shake for berries. There we go. Berry trees in GO to make up for the missing stops/gyms. Not only does this use all of our work, it adds variety to the game, and it gives a way to diversify items depending on what you spin. Maybe a surprise encounter like in Legends Arceus.
GO loosely pulls from the main games, but there’s a lot more it can do.
I went for a year plus without nominating. Not only is the process frustrating, but to get a good pic, you need good weather and the sun to be in the right place. Our area may be unique in that we had local player(s) who were troll-rejecting the nominations for this area via multiple accounts. That’s been taken care of by Niantic I heard, which is why I went out to nominate.
This area, set up by ingress players, had 2 portals. That’s it. There’s a potential for around 40 here. It was myself and a couple others who put in the rest and are waiting in queue for more. I solicited their help, but we all play GO. The one Ingress player here benefits from all the work I did. Yet they participated in troll-rejecting. They also play GO. Made no sense.
I am down with other games sharing what I put into GO, but he key word is “sharing”. And every GO player who has made such an effort agrees that they want to benefit the game they play for their community, not some other game alone.
There needs to be a better method, and the berry plant may be it. But, getting a bad rejection reason, and having to go back out there, retake the photos, retype the stuff, and submit, isn’t fun the 2nd time. Appeals are unfortunately slow, and I have 2 in appeals now, with not many days left for another.
I just hope to find a better solution. As it is, “you may not see it in the game you play” results in “we may just stop nominating if that’s the case” doesn’t help grow anything. But that’s a major contributor to wayfarer burnout. So maybe find a way to fix it so we do not feel ripped off or that we wasted our time. Nobody likes that feeling of being used.
It’s not selfish to work for something and get nothing in return. Not one of the ingress players stepped up to build up the areas around me. This neighborhood has a potential for about 40 different wayspots. There were only 2 here but not a thing was done for the others. I had to do it (not all by me but I got others to help).
What did the “active” local ingress player do with their friend? Abuse wayfarer to troll reject nomination after nomination if they were in this area. 1 lives here! Thankfully, Niantic punished 2 accounts then 4 more more recently.
There would be nothing for ingress here minus the 2 portals, if it wasn’t for me. And because of me, this neighborhood and the one nearby actually has something to do including a “tour” or whatever it’s called, in ingress.
So when I limp outside, under the hot summer sun, and I submit whatever is eligible, I expect to see results that I can use, too. You know how hard it is to get a good photo of something when the sun isn’t angled right, but you need some lighting to get the best visual? Not to mention the heat, and either hill to go back up to get home. Then there’s being patient if others are using said object or are in the way. It’s a lot of work.
Then there’s dealing with wayfarer. Make sure everything is spelled correctly. Hope the system doesn’t automatically upgrade the wrong nomination (which it did). Then dealing with the constant bogus rejection issues we all face because of other problems here.
I am all for the other games sharing the results of my efforts. Key word is “sharing”. Not one player in GO goes through all of this in the hopes that they will not get to use it or see it in the game they play.
Perhaps it’s time to change things up a bit so we can have all of the portals in games they’re submitted from like GO, but create a new type of one. My kid is playing Pokémon Sword currently. You have to shake trees to get berries which is required for many things to beat the game fully. Where are the berry trees or bushes? All these missing portals in GO could become sources for berries. This way they aren’t cluttered with a bunch of stops. Berries have been around since Gen 2, especially coming from plants.
Theres the fix. We have gyms, we have stops, and we have berry plants. But you can quote policy all you want. Policy was created and is constantly changed. It is not always written with foresight. Policies can always be improved upon. I don’t agree that players can do basically free labor for games they don’t play.
A better system can be put in place, and that idea, while it likely isn’t first from me, is from the main games, which is the source for changes to this game.
It goes both ways ****, each game has its own mechanics on what POIs get synced to the respective games from the Lightship database of POIs.
The above is a nomination I made in ingress and PoGO stole it. I hardly ever play PoGO so how's that fair...I jest!! I was maybe annoyed for 2 seconds!! Ingress hasn't done anything with your nomination, it just doesn't meet the criteria set out by the PoGO devs. to sync into PoGO.
I suggest you either:
1) Stop submitting POIs as you are obviously a bit misguided as to what you are actually doing.
2) Familiarise yourself with the very well known game mechanics that are in the player domain and only submit things that meet the spacial mechanics to sync to your chosen game.
or
3) Submit POIs for the good of the Wayfarer process and continue to build the LightShip database of POIs for all NIA games.
Anyway, enough said, Have a good day.
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