Pool accepted
RyGuy10189-PGO
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So I had a pool nomination that kept getting declined by you all, and I appealed and it got accepted
There's another discussion from a while ago and I uploaded the same image but this is a fresh discussion.
Many of you were arguing residentially focused pool = auto decline. Well obviously that's incorrect. Pools are both a social area and they are a way to exercise
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As far as I'm aware pools inside apartment complexes are ineligible, if that's what it is.
The fact it was accepted doesn't actually make it eligible. Unfortunately it seems Niantic reviewers are not as well versed in their own criteria as they should be.
Following your logic footbridges on a named trail are now ineligible
As are trail markers
There have been few more bizarre acceptances/rejections by Niantic reviewers recently that I can't find at the moment.
Well done though :D
I wouldn't mind hearing @NianticAaronthe @NianticAaronreasoning for the above two rejections from @NianticGiffard since you don't actually get any reason just a big no.
This isn't an apartment complex. It's a community, small homes, restaurants, shops, film studio, etc
It still lookss ineligible to be honest. What was your supporting info?
It definitely looks 'residentially focused' from the various Trillith sites?
Would the lovely people of Trillith be happy for me to rock up with my Lapras float and swim around?
Well doesn't matter what Supporting info I had. It got accepted
I notice you didn't even bother to correct the title to Solea after I proved this was a residentially focused pool in the other thread.
It does. I'm interested to see what you put and how it affected the Niantic in house review.
Actually don't bother. I've just seen your other thread and realise you are only here for self satisfaction.
Well done on managing to convince official Niantic reviewers...
This just shows that Niantic reviewers don't know Niantic's rules, and in the end they cause chaos and confusion because that's an approved wayspot and from now on people won't know if residential pools are allowed or not.
Can we get some feedback @NianticGiffard ?
Are residential pools OK now?
Both of my above posts are taken from the other thread about this pool, which can be found here:
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/30581/pool-declined
I second the calls from @WheelTrekker-ING to get some clarification here, as it seems that the Niantic decision maker has directly gone against the clarification issued in the November 2020 AMA. Aside from the title being both misspelled and not the official title of the location, this nomination is defined by the town as a private pool for residents (as can be seen in the second of my posts that I've quoted), thus seemingly confirming it is a residentially focused pool, which was originally correctly rejected by reviewers. Are these now acceptable, or has a mistake been made? If they are now acceptable, is there anything else in the November 2020 AMA that is out of date information?
@NianticDanbocat @NianticTintino-ING @NianticGiffard I would be grateful if you could look into this and advise us, as it does seem like Niantic is saying one thing and then doing the opposite here.
i would love a more definite clarification on community pools as well @NianticGiffard. i've been rejecting them unless they're in a rec center, aquatics center, or are city-run. basically anything that has a lifeguard on duty, because i and many others assume that's part of the reason why stuff like neighborhood pools aren't allowed. many people have interpreted it differently. still, many neighborhood community pools or apartment pools get accepted, especially here in texas.
i think it would be very helpful to reword this older clarification so that there's no longer any confusion. something like what you did with the trail markers clarification.
"Similar to before the criteria refresh, swimming pools at private residences or hotels (or other similar residentially-focused locations) are ineligible. Other than that, pools would be a great place to meet and that encourages exercise and should be considered eligible. This includes public pools, pools or training complexes with historical context, reflecting pools, fountains, aquatic centers and cooldown centers, university pools, sport arenas/complexes and more."
what, exactly, is a residentially-focused location? does that include pools in neighborhood housing subdivisions, where residents and their guests can use the pool but not anyone else? oftentimes a neighborhood housing complex (basically a neighborhood with a bunch of cookie-cutter houses that were built by the same company, has a neighborhood sign and might even be gated off) has a designated area for their residents and guests. they might have a small park, a playground, a clubhouse, a rec center, a pool, etc. all of those are eligible but the pools still remain a question mark.
then there's this, where you say apartment and hotel pools are ineligible. which i understand, but i still see apartment pools getting accepted all the time.
"Tricky one there! Publicly accessible amenities inside Apartment complexes could still be eligible as long as they meet all of the acceptance criteria as mentioned in our November AMA. However, swimming pools inside residential properties (including multi-family residential apartments and hotels) are an exception to these criteria and are deemed ineligible."
@HankWolfman-PGO is there anything else in the November 2020 AMA that is out of date information?
A good chunk of the November 2020 AMA is not true. For example:
With the updated criteria, there was a promise to rereview previously rejected nominations that may meet the updated requirements. How will that work?
While this is a big effort, we are already working on reviewing past rejections starting with the Generic Business category.
They're not even reviewing appeals from before Nov 2020 - from nominators who hung around long enough to appeal.
But yes, I'd be very surprised if Niantic's insurance and lawyers agree that it's OK for them to attract people to private pools with no lifeguards and "keep out" signs.
Self satisfaction? No. I'm showing that those who kept wanting to reject it were wrong.
I do not remember what specifically I put for the appeal notes. Something in the line of it's a community pool that has residences, restaurants, etc etc and that is a great place to relax and socialize on a nice summer day.
As far as you......
An appeal does not allow me edit the title. Not that I have to explain myself to you. Also a thing called autocorrect changed it to two Ls from the times I put it in my GPS. Which I had planned to fix after it becomes active.
True that Trilith has houses, there's more to the community so it's not specifically residential
I’m also going to tag @NianticGiffard asking for a review of this. This approval does not appear to meet criteria.
Sometimes Niantic **** up and approve things that shouldn’t be accepted. We’ve seen the gaming sign in a supermarket get through accidentally for example and then get removed.
A logical reasoning on why @cyndiepooh-ING and mine that I posted earlier were rejected while this goes through. I'm not asking for a reversal of decision on mine. A reason why would be nice though.
Expecting radio silence....
Hi all! The Wayspot referred to in the discussion created by @RyGuy10189-PGO is a community pool that qualifies it to be an eligible Wayspot.
However, please note that the pools at private residences, condominiums, apartments, and hotels are ineligible.
Hope you’ve prepared the Appeals team for an influx of Pool Appeals with that.
Thanks so much for the clear statement that we can add to our supporting information when we submit pools @NianticGiffard
I thought that photo in the original post appeared to be at an apartment/condo community, though, but when I looked it up, I found houses: https://newhomesdivisionga.com/communities/trilith/
Hi! What is the difference between this pool and an apartment/condominium community’s pool that makes it eligible but those ineligible? Why not just make all community pools eligible again, including those in apartment/condominium communities?
So you're saying the difference isn't public pool (run and built by community organizations) vs private pool (run and built by commercial housing developers), @NianticGiffard ? The excluded pools are only the ones on that exact list and it doesn't generalize to public vs private?
@NianticGiffard I hope you (or someone else on the team) can offer more clarification about this and can answer some questions.
The pool in question here looks to be in a community of detached residences (https://newhomesdivisionga.com/communities/trilith/). What eligibility criteria would a pool in that type of neighborhood meet that a pool in an apartment building would not?
Are pools in townhome complexes eligible? I'm thinking of townhomes being private residences where generally two units share a single building, multiple townhome buildings are laid out among pathways, shared resources like a pool, etc.
Without knowing more of Niantic's reasoning for this stance, I can't help but feel that a shared pool in a community of detached houses being eligible, while a pool in an apartment building is not opens up a lot of questions around equity of access for the players of Niantic's games. While I am sure that there are always exceptions--a community of single family homes that share a community pool can be less wealthy than the community in an apartment building with a pool in another part of the world--this still seems to be a distinction based solely around people that can afford to own their own home versus people that cannot. Pools in these residential areas are generally limited to residents of the community and their invited guests, just as a pool in an apartment building or condo building are. The only distinction I can see is one centered on property ownership of the people using the pool. Is there another distinction that I have missed?
When you tag a Niantic person, they ONLY read the comment in which they are tagged. Gifford replied without reading the link that said it's a private pool for people who live around there. They just believed the nominator's wording.
The difference between Trilith and other areas such as an apartment, or town home, or neighborhood is that in the community there's restaurants, parks, and a film studio - which I think is the biggest factor there. It's still in active active expansion.
If it were an apartment or hotel, I get it. But this is a community. A film studio community. People here work on many of the big movies you watch such as Spiderman, Black Adam, Black Panther, etc. I can continue.
.. and any reason why a trail marker ona route through some of Scotland's greenest scenery passing by locally relevant and global history on the way to one of the world's most famous chapels( It's in the name) would be rejected after going into official Niantic voting?
Hounding the admins with off-topic questions is, at best, rude. Likely it will further deter them from commenting or clarifying in future threads that call for it.
Having a reason for a rejection is not hounding it's a perfectly legitimate question.
I've seen two other appeals in the last few days which looked perfectly acceptable be declined by official Niantic reviewers.
I've seen the one above be accepted when the vast majority of people here saw it as a rejection after basing their opinion on a Niantic AMA.
I may well have placed my street view in the wrong position, I may have forgot to upload it, I may accidentally have included someone in the picture.
If I'm going to take 30 minutes+ on a submission a simple reason for rejection to be included doesn't seem like too much to ask for.
Thank you for clearing that up. I recently had a community pool (which actually has 3 lifeguards on duty throughout the day) rejected twice. Which i feel was hastly rejected.
Now I know that my nomination was valid and does qualify. Will be appealing the rejection based on this decision.