Little Free Libraries on Private Property

So I’ve seen an influx of these lately and I’m not sure how to proceed. LFLs are eligible, yes, but does their location at the end of a driveway/at the end of the yard make them ineligible?

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  • CometStarfall-PGOCometStarfall-PGO Posts: 15 ✭✭

    Good to know, thank you!

  • X0bai-PGOX0bai-PGO Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15

    Giffard said something to that effect and shortly thereafter rolled it back, saying that statement never gave any approval for anything on PRP.

    Keep rejecting them.

  • dman41689-PGOdman41689-PGO Posts: 177 ✭✭✭

    yea they only meet the criteria if they are in public places like parks, shopping centers, villages, colleges, businesses, etc.

  • JillJilyJabadoo-PGOJillJilyJabadoo-PGO Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The debate about the verge or easment always comes up. I don't recall anyone from Niantic weighing in with that clarification you've stated. Please post it when you find it so I can change my votes on PRP.

  • JillJilyJabadoo-PGOJillJilyJabadoo-PGO Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ah. Thanks for that one. That that actually sounds more restrictive, though and doesn't say anything at all about verge/easment clarification. @0X00FF00-ING did you mean this one or a different one?

  • 0X00FF00-ING0X00FF00-ING Posts: 750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nope, that’s the one. Let’s take it in parts:

    1. things (ie LFLs) on the sidewalk and/or near the sidewalk are not ineligible merely for being “near” PRP
    2. things ON the PRP are ineligible, even if they are on the border of the property and are merely “accessible” from off the property

    The example given in the above post had a LFL exactly on the edge of the property, but still on the property. You could reach it and interact with the LFL without otherwise encroaching the property, standing on the sidewalk. But that access does not make the LFL allowable under the rules.

    BUT. The opposite side of the sidewalk is NOT part of the PRP, it is “city” owned land. Had the LFL instead been on the boulevard, then in Wayfarer terms it would have been acceptable.

    The caveat being that not all municipalities even allow structures to be erected on the boulevard. Other municipalities (like mine) are more lax, allowing one to place their birdhouses or whatever there, as long as they don’t interfere with vehicular sightlines.

  • JillJilyJabadoo-PGOJillJilyJabadoo-PGO Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    (This will be a double post eventually because I edited a word. Since it's the weekend, I'm reposting.)

    "The clarification was that this str.ip of land is public property and is NOT "Private Residential Property""

    Giffard didn't say anything about verges or easments and whether or not they are public property or should be considered PRP for Wayfarer. It's incorrect to cite that clarification as if he did.

  • X0bai-PGOX0bai-PGO Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16

    Fake news. Nobody from Niantic ever said that. This is speculation on your part turning a brief - and general - statement into a specific criteria guideline.

  • 0X00FF00-ING0X00FF00-ING Posts: 750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DO read the whole thread, with the specific question asked, and the very precise way @NianticGiffard answered.

    I paraphrase here for better clarity, but the specific question asked was whether nominations immediately in front of the house are allowed (ie this “boulevard” space), and he replied that (with the qualification that it not be merely accessible from the sidewalk).

  • JillJilyJabadoo-PGOJillJilyJabadoo-PGO Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you read the whole thread? There was a bunch of back and forth by commenters about whether the grass is PRP or not, but Giffard addressed none of those comments. The original post that started the thread wasn't even about things on that str.ip. It was about survey markers embedded in pavement.

    You're free to interpret Giffard's response however you want, and relay that interpretation to others, but you really need to make that clear. "My interpretation of that clarification", not implying that Giffard stated a verge is not PRP.

  • JillJilyJabadoo-PGOJillJilyJabadoo-PGO Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16

    (double post)

    Post edited by JillJilyJabadoo-PGO on
  • 0X00FF00-ING0X00FF00-ING Posts: 750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If, in your municipality, the homeowner also owns the land on both sides of the street, then that land is also PRP and anything nominated there is ineligible. In most urban areas in Canada and the USA you would also be in the minority. The sidewalk and boulevard there is also commonly known as a “right of way” or an “easement”.

    On the other hand if you live in a municipality like mine where the city owns the land up to X meters (or feet) from the centre of the road, then it’s a different circumstance, and nominations ARE allowed.

    It’s up to the local submitter to know their own municipality’s rules.

  • Melurra-PGOMelurra-PGO Posts: 350 ✭✭✭✭

    But is it also up to the reviewer to know and/or verify the laws for the municipality of each relevant submission? If so, I'm sorry, but I'm not doing that. When a submitter of a LFL in front of a single family house says something in their supplement like "According to City of X law, the city owns the first three feet of the yard after the sidewalk" or whatever, it just sounds made up anyway. Maybe it's not, but I'm not going to try to interpret municipal zoning and property laws for someone's couch nomination.

  • X0bai-PGOX0bai-PGO Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Once you start arguing law, other than criteria, you have lost the point.

  • JillJilyJabadoo-PGOJillJilyJabadoo-PGO Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agreed. I'm not debating that. Purely pointing out that Giffard didn't make any sort of clarification about that str.ip and if it was or wasn't part of PRP, likely because as you said it varies by local law.

  • MargariteDVille-INGMargariteDVille-ING Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Niantic always goes with the stricter laws. No cemeteries because that's insensitive in some cultures. Pedestrian access must be visibly obvious. Property owners own to the street.

    In the U.S., the easement/right-of-way is the property-owner's responsibility - to mow and maintain. Until the government wants it (to widen the road), it is part of the house's yard. In residential neighborhoods, the road will likely never be widened. Cables might be buried along there, but still it's the property-owner's yard.

  • TWVer-INGTWVer-ING Posts: 449 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are we still having this discussion? Every single time Niantic talks about this, they talk about the property, and the wall and fence of the property. Everything outside is okay. That is always what they use when making decisions about this in the appeals section. Never have they stated it extends to the street. Accept it and let this silly myth die.

  • Ladyfoil-PGOLadyfoil-PGO Posts: 32 ✭✭

    So, are LPL allowed as wayspot or not? It seems ridicule to me, that there are so many of them, that are listed as wayspot, and the moment i spot a new one, take a nice picture (without people, property or numberplates or whatsoever) and a good description, it gets rejected (And without any motivation, i hate that!) . Of course it is on someones land! But they WANT you to come and get those books. Nothing wrong with that. It is a question of jurisdiction, since on the property, it's the owner that must take care of the LPL, and not the town or county. It's as simple as that. Should i just take a new picture or place the rejection in the right discussion?

  • Ladyfoil-PGOLadyfoil-PGO Posts: 32 ✭✭

    Then this discussion will never stop, since there are way to many LPL that were accepted, but they are ALL, and i repeat, ALL, on private property. So, better Niantic deletes all those stops, or they accept the fact that people have put them there for a purpose. It's not that people are tresspassing. They are on the sidewalk and look for books. Clearly there are country differences in place here.

  • X0bai-PGOX0bai-PGO Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You are incorrect. Little Free Libraries are not exclusively on residential property. They are often present in parks, in front of churches, near businesses, on apartment grounds, and in my town we even have them in front of the actual local library branches. All of these are valid POIs.

    Any LFLs you see on private residential property you can submit for removal; PRP is a removal criterion.

  • mortuus-INGmortuus-ING Posts: 178 ✭✭✭

    no portal is ok on private single family house , doesnt matter what kind of portal it is, so just report that and hopefull niantic will remove them.

  • Japhyuri-PGOJaphyuri-PGO Posts: 15 ✭✭

    https://littlefreelibrary.org/about/ LFL are ment to be in suburb areas since their mission and vision states "Our mission is to be a catalyst for building community, inspiring readers, and expanding book access" thus LFL right beside the sidewalk of suburb should be approved.

    Why don't be smart and just approve those LFL that is unique, right beside a sidewalk and has the LFL Charter sign.

    Reject those LFL that are not register, way to far from the side walk and not visually Unique (no art at all).

    By doing so we are helping the nonprofit org, increase community engagement and increase creativity to the LFL community. Niantic can even earn from this by partnering with the LFL's. Not only that Niantic prove that education, creativity and communtiy engagement is part of the mission but also prove that they also support suburd.

    Do we need to go just down town to be able to get pokestop why can't we have pokestop in the suburd and rural area by allowing the LFL's? Isn't is a safer place to walk around the neighborhood than downtown?

  • HankWolfman-PGOHankWolfman-PGO Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do we need to go just down town to be able to get pokestop why can't we have pokestop in the suburd and rural area by allowing the LFL's? Isn't is a safer place to walk around the neighborhood than downtown?

    I just wanted to pick up on this because it has me curious. For those living in a suburban area, how many wayspots can you see within your local area in your game(s) of choice?

    I ask because whilst rural areas often struggle with a lack of wayspots, I've never really thought suburbs would struggle. Maybe it's just a UK perspective, but suburbs here often have multiple things to submit, such as parks, play areas, trail markers, places of worship, pubs, and various other acceptable things. It seems like a strange concept to me that there are suburbs that wouldn't have any of these things, but as I said, I only have a UK perspective.

  • Japhyuri-PGOJaphyuri-PGO Posts: 15 ✭✭

    Isn't a sidewalk on a suburd a public access? And are you familiar of the zoning and setback? 3-5 ft front, side and back of the properties are owned by the municipality for utilities and such?

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