"publicly accessible" pandemic

almost everyone adds stuff like "publicly accessible", "safely accessible by foot" etc.

should I count this as "swaying reviewers" and reject?

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  • No1ofConseqence-PGONo1ofConseqence-PGO Posts: 161 ✭✭✭

    I think not. If you think about it, it's likely to mean they've actually taken the time to read the criteria. I suggest not attributing to malice that which is otherwise easily explainable.

    I know, as reviewers, we've seen all manner of people attempting to 'game the system' through word, photo or location manipulation; but such is not always the case. Otherwise and through the same logic you'd have to accept that the use of a photosphere image, because you know Google Maps and Streetview don't cover the area, would also be seen as a similar method of 'gaming the system'. Yes?

  • ZinkyZonk-INGZinkyZonk-ING Posts: 300 ✭✭✭✭

    There's an art to handling edits and problematic features of nominations. You can give a 'hint' as to why a move/edit is needed. You give the reviewer information not a direction.

    You might say: for and artwork that has been changed. Desc edit: Newart by Newartist painted in 2021. Previous artwork at this location was Oldart by Oldartist.

    Recently I nominated an artwork work in a hospital building. "Not near emergency - the building contains specialist suites". A reviewer may discount a hospital located poi because of a worry about emergency access. Yet extra information 'specialist suites' helps clarify the context of the nomination.

  • AgentX1976-INGAgentX1976-ING Posts: 598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think what Niantic means by trying to influence reviewers is if you submit a location change to move a PoI and then also do a description edit that says something like "please pick the location to the west" that's clear manipulation.

  • JillJilyJabadoo-PGOJillJilyJabadoo-PGO Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2022

    There was an example on here a while back where the submitter had written something like "if you don't approve this, I'll reject every stop I review". That's the kind if thing I would consider illegal influencing. Of course, the point of supplemental information is to try to influence reviewers to accept your stop, so that wording is poor and we have to separate normal influencing from abusive influencing.

  • JillJilyJabadoo-PGOJillJilyJabadoo-PGO Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Influencing" that addresses the criteria as opposed to unrelated threats, promises, or specific directions on how to vote.

  • ExCon92-INGExCon92-ING Posts: 45 ✭✭✭

    And every one of those should be screenshot and posted as abuse by the wayfarer. Niantic should punish people who threaten like that

  • MargariteDVille-INGMargariteDVille-ING Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, I don't reject it, but I think that text only serves to frustrate reviewers. They go on and on about how (in their opinion) it doesn't meet rejection criteria - and never address what eligibility criteria it meets.

    If it doesn't meet any eligibility criteria - yes I reject it. https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/criteria/eligibility

  • flatmatt-PGOflatmatt-PGO Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Influencing reviewers" is meant to mean "influencing reviewers in an attempt to get them to vote against the criteria." Simply giving the reviewers accurate information about how your nomination meets the acceptance criteria and/or doesn't meet the rejection criteria isn't just allowed, it's also the entire purpose of the Supporting Information field. (Not judging the usefulness of the particular information given, just saying it's perfectly acceptable, assuming it's accurate information.)

  • TheFarix-PGOTheFarix-PGO Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Influencing the reviewer is telling the reviewer to take a specific action, such as rating a nomination in a specific way, such as telling the reviewer how to specifically rate the nomination, using intimidation tactics (ex. "Niantic monitored" nomination posted a few weeks ago), or instructing the reviewer to do or not do specific actions (such as choosing an incorrect location or NOT correcting the location of a nomination because it won't show up in a specific game if it was accurately placed).

    Stating that a nomination is "publicly accessible", however, is not among those. It is a complete waste of space in the supporting information as any pedestrian accessability should be obvious from the nominating photos and map. It is also something that the reviewer must verify on their own and should not take the nominator's word for it.

  • PepeFuentez-PGOPepeFuentez-PGO Posts: 31 ✭✭

    Maybe for you, but in my experience you're darned if you do, and darned if you dont. I am a firm believer that the more accurate and relevant information that can be communicated, the better.

    Ive had a number of nominations I've made have been rejected for "private residence/farm" or "safe pedestrian access" when that is just flatout, 100% wrong. I figured that information to be obvious based on pictures, but NOPE.

    Then I get on here and I read things like "stating things like it's publicly accessible or not on private property will make reviewers not believe you."

    Which is it?

  • PepeFuentez-PGOPepeFuentez-PGO Posts: 31 ✭✭

    This is a sad mindset to assume the worst out of nominators and assume they're lying. I understand what you're trying to do, but at the same time thats definitely going to deter legitimate nominations and discourage legitimate nominators and probably make the fakers more prevalent.

  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 3,534 Ambassador

    How is it being used? Somebody nominating a park sign on the the side of a busy road where the person clearly is hanging out of their car isn't getting a "vote" of confidence from me if they state it has pedestrian access, or stating "it's publicly accessible despite being in my front yard."

    But it can be helpful to offer an honest explanation in case it isn't immediately obvious. "Park sign is accessible from the maintained grassy area of the park intended for pedestrian use." "Apartment complex maintains the Little free library and it is located at the end of a driveway for the apartment complex, not nearby housing area."

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