I guess this is similar to one of those wooden-pallet trail "bridges", which is to say that it might work. I don't personally love it, but I'd definitely recommend trying it again a couple of times, if needed. It might well make it through.
I would definitely 1* for not meeting any criteria (Other Rejection Criteria), but "natural feature" is definitely not right. First, it's no longer a rejection reason under the Wayfarer criteria, they just didn't update the review menu. Second, the stairs were definitely put there by a person.
The stairs itself is not a natural feature, but the "Natural Feature" reason does not require the intended subject to be a natural feature. Could also 1* for "Other Rejection Criteria"
What does the natural feature rejection mean in your opinion if it doesn't mean the subject is a natural feature? It's not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious.
Personally, this is an interesting context question.
Niantic appears to be super lenient on trails. The whole reason we have upteen trail markers accepted, even completely generic and non descript ones, is because Niantic said so. They've reinforced this with multiple posts, yet some people still fight the issue. there was also a Niantic post that talked about trails and features and used the word "etc" which really left open the idea of accepting footbridges, stone staircases, benches, rest stops, as long as they were on trail.
If this was part of a trail system, I'd accept it, but you would need some evidence its part of a trail like a map or link in supporting info.
Trails themselves fit both the explore and exercise criteria, so if someone continued down the trail to reach a POI that was stone staircase they are doing exactly what Niantic wants and fulfilling the criteria.
This isn't my favorite stance btw. I'd still say it's more interesting than a wooden post with no text and a green arrow.
Since this is Nom Imp, my advice is to to find the link I lost where Niantic said "etc" and put in your supporting this is a pin placement for a part of a trail much the same way trail markers are as it encourages exploring further down the trail and getting exercise along the way.
From the November 2020 AMA, the first after the 3.1 update:
The new criteria lists hiking trails and biking trails as eligible examples under a great place for exercise. Are there any additional requirements for these locations to be eligible (e.g. survey markers, trail signs or other man-made objects)? Do they need to be named trails or paths?
While this criteria is much more inclusive than before, there would still need to be some sort of visual indicator of the Wayspot. This is because you're dropping a pin on the map and since trails are long and linear, you'd want to direct players to a safe location somewhere along that trail that's easy to find and safe to access. This would apply to trail markers, survey markers, trail signs, etc.
what the heck is a 'generic footbridge?' that seems to just needlessly create undefined qualification obscurities.
are you able to link to his post in which this was stated, so we can read the context of it? I've tried to find it searching comments & threads (and archived ones) authored by giffard's account, but it doesn't come up. I can only find people discussing him saying this.
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I guess this is similar to one of those wooden-pallet trail "bridges", which is to say that it might work. I don't personally love it, but I'd definitely recommend trying it again a couple of times, if needed. It might well make it through.
Don't bother.
I would 1* as natural feature, sorry
Don’t bother. It’s not a point of interest.
Can I ask why you would do that when it’s not a natural feature?
It's just a stone staircase. If that's a part of a trail, you'd better need a tangible object (i.e. signs) to be nominated instead.
I would definitely 1* for not meeting any criteria (Other Rejection Criteria), but "natural feature" is definitely not right. First, it's no longer a rejection reason under the Wayfarer criteria, they just didn't update the review menu. Second, the stairs were definitely put there by a person.
The stairs itself is not a natural feature, but the "Natural Feature" reason does not require the intended subject to be a natural feature. Could also 1* for "Other Rejection Criteria"
What does the natural feature rejection mean in your opinion if it doesn't mean the subject is a natural feature? It's not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious.
I re-read the rejection reason and Natural Feature is not the appropriate reason. "Other Rejection Criteria" is correct.
that didn't just naturally occur, though. its a man made staircase, and part of a hiking trail, which promotes exercise and exploration.
how is this any different than a footbridge? both are manually constructed to serve the purpose of getting across the terrain on foot.
if there is nothing that disqualifies a footbridge, there shouldn't be anything that disqualifies a stone stairwell in the middle of the wood.
Personally, this is an interesting context question.
Niantic appears to be super lenient on trails. The whole reason we have upteen trail markers accepted, even completely generic and non descript ones, is because Niantic said so. They've reinforced this with multiple posts, yet some people still fight the issue. there was also a Niantic post that talked about trails and features and used the word "etc" which really left open the idea of accepting footbridges, stone staircases, benches, rest stops, as long as they were on trail.
If this was part of a trail system, I'd accept it, but you would need some evidence its part of a trail like a map or link in supporting info.
Trails themselves fit both the explore and exercise criteria, so if someone continued down the trail to reach a POI that was stone staircase they are doing exactly what Niantic wants and fulfilling the criteria.
This isn't my favorite stance btw. I'd still say it's more interesting than a wooden post with no text and a green arrow.
Since this is Nom Imp, my advice is to to find the link I lost where Niantic said "etc" and put in your supporting this is a pin placement for a part of a trail much the same way trail markers are as it encourages exploring further down the trail and getting exercise along the way.
From the November 2020 AMA, the first after the 3.1 update:
The new criteria lists hiking trails and biking trails as eligible examples under a great place for exercise. Are there any additional requirements for these locations to be eligible (e.g. survey markers, trail signs or other man-made objects)? Do they need to be named trails or paths?
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This would fit the etc to me.
Giffard said generic footbridges aren’t eligible, so, yeah, this isn’t either.
what the heck is a 'generic footbridge?' that seems to just needlessly create undefined qualification obscurities.
are you able to link to his post in which this was stated, so we can read the context of it? I've tried to find it searching comments & threads (and archived ones) authored by giffard's account, but it doesn't come up. I can only find people discussing him saying this.