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Where did Niantic ever say not to approve stuff in front of someones house, outside of their property?
This is a storm in a teacup.
when assessing a submission you are assessing that object against the criteria.
Step 1 is the object somewhere to explore, socialise or exercise ( in broad terms).
if it meets none of these reject
if it meets 1 or more progress
Step 2 is the object something that is not allowed eg on KS12 property, on a single private residence. “On” means the boundary fence, wall etc and the area within it. So anything attached to the fence is considered on the property. It does not matter that you can stand and read, even touch that object on public space, it is on PRP
if it doesn’t meet step 2 no matter how brilliant it might be in other respects it is rejected, so it is not making a judgement about the LFL as an object in itself.
Step 3 if it is close to PRP because of a court ruling we need to consider if there is an issue. Nothing about rejecting things in front of a house ( and you certainly shouldn’t take any account what so ever about it being reachable by a player at home).
other steps include safe pedestrian access, is it permanent, is the location accurate. A metre or so doesn’t matter ( it won’t let you change something that is too close) . If it’s out by more eg wrong side of road you are able to move to correct point. Etc
it really is straightforward
If that's the clarification you've been referring to, it answers my question about the source of your information. I already pointed out earlier on the thread why it doesn't apply here, so I won't repeat that.
If you won't take @NianticGiffard's word exactly as he wrote it, then what on earth else can we say to you? In effect you're just being an internet crank.
We are ALL frustrated at how Niantic-the-company communicates with the public, especially with regards to Wayfarer, and ESPECIALLY with regards to how all of this commonly-asked stuff STILL doesn't end up in the Wayfarer website proper.
Nowhere does it say "everything beyond the sidewalk" or "in the grass str.ip". It's about items on the sidewalk and in the gutter. You can choose to interpret that as meaning also things beyond the sidewalk, but that wasn't stated. It's a perfectly valid interpretation of that clarification, but people taking that position need to be clear that they mean their own interpretation, not what was literally written in the clarification. Writing "my interpretation of this post by Giffard <insert link>..." is great and I take no issue with it. Writing "Niantic has repeatedly said the grass str.ip is not PRP <no link>" is inaccurate.
Niantic has never AND WILL NEVER EVER say "your local property laws are ..."
So I guess you are on a fool's errand. You cannot find what they have never and will never say.
They HAVE said that "you can't have things on PRP" and they HAVE said "you can have things if they're not on PRP". I REALLY do not care one way or another what YOUR local property rights laws say, beyond that I know what MINE are.
Here, they say that I do not own the land from X meters from the middle of the something-sized roadway (and yes, this complicates matters somewhat in that larger roads have a bigger X than suburban roads). And they say that if I do not mow the lawn beyond the sidewalk, then the city will (eventually) do it for me and charge me an exorbitant hourly rate for their efforts. AND they say that I am allowed to build things on that bit of land, if nobody is going to complain about obstructing sightlines for traffic.
In short, based on the literal interpretation of Niantic's Wayfarer laws, wayspots may be directly in front of my house, IF they are on that patch of land not-owned-by-me, ie. demarcated here by a sidewalk.
<insert Mr T's catchphrase here>
And as I've said, that's perfectly fine interpretation, and I did point out in my initial post about the lack of clarification from Niantic that they can never clarify that grassy str.ip. (I mean, they could if they wanted to say it doesn't matter if it's PRP or not, but they can never clarify globally that it isn't PRP.)
My whole point is this: they clarified that str.ip is fine *if it isn't PRP*, but the two posts referring to that clarification represented it as "they said that str.ip is fine. Period." Definitely not what they said.
Now this is a thing. Someone's supporting photo.
But @NianticGiffard that photo certainly showcases WHY we keep telling y'all at Niantic that the information describing your position on submissions-reachable-from-off-the-PRP-but-still-on-PRP NEEDS to be explicitly written into the wayfarer site proper.
I can't quite tell whether the submitter there is ignorant or feigning ignorance. The first demands better education, the latter is nigh on abuse.
If the easement bit of land is owned by a municipality and not a single-family homeowner, then is it the municipality erecting the LFL? In most cases I see, it's the homeowners themselves that are putting up these LFL, which I assume means they own and control the property on which it is placed.
I reported few in my community which has a stop but never been removed. FYI I can sit in my office and have 8 pokestop so I really do not care if it is right outside my home. I am requesting it for the community not my own benefit since I have a full time job and not sitting at home.
Anyway thank you all for the clarification, I just hope niantic will support the nonprofit LFL. https://littlefreelibrary.org/
Little Free Library is a nonprofit organization based in St. Paul, Minnesota. Our mission is to be a catalyst for building community, inspiring readers, and expanding book access for all through a global network of volunteer-led Little Free Libraries.
Isn't a suburb a community? Just saying.
Yep it's a US problem. Zoning laws, city planning, and other issues have resulted in the mass production of "suburban deserts" where there is actually nothing but private single family houses as far as the eye can see. Often even parks and playgrounds can be in short supply since unlike Norway we do not require every new built community to have one. No businesses, no restaurants, no historic objects just houses with a school every few miles.