Rewards for accepting PokéStops, as well as accepting Portals !
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The idea & discussion developed in this post.
I think many players are of the same opinion and also have good objections to implying and implementing this in the near future.
Up to now in PokéMon Go there is no reward for an Accepted PokéStop like there is in Ingress Prime where you get 1000EXP & a key of the portal.
But I find the comparison with the key very interesting and would make a lot of players in PokeMon Go happy. The fact that you can't get a key here is logical BUT getting a gift from the accepted PokéStop, which you can then send on, would be a great idea. Especially for the reason (which was mentioned by others), that you might have nominated a wayspot somewhere further away, in a place where you won't return so quickly, would be very gratifying to be able to save it in your photo album!
I would leave it open whether there would have to be additional EXP, I think 1000 stardust would be far more interesting for PoGo because it is more useful.
But rewards for linked accounts would only be fair, regardless of whether you nominated a wayspot via Ingress or PoGo, rewards should be received for both games if they are linked via the same e-mail.
Actually, I'm also personally a big advocate of reactivating the medal, which shows you your Wayfarer progress and you can see how many accepted Wayspots you have to answer for yourself (similar to how the Wayfarer medal does for checked matches). I don't see the justification for the abuse, which is why it was deactivated. The abuse is there with Wayfarer anyway, and you have to put in a lot more effort for Accepted Wayspot than for the "simple" review of Nominations. I think the win win is much higher here as you usually have to work harder to get an accepted wayspot and I see this as more of a problem solving for emptying the pool than lowering the level cap.
I think this is a good discussion topic!? Hopefully other members will contribute "objectively" to this topic as well!
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I agree! Well, with most. In Ingress, if your candidate is accepted but falls within 20m of another live portal you don't get those rewards. If the same were true in Pokemon Go, and only the things that actually appear in game give a gift (and possibly a small dust reward) then it would be a good indicator for those submitters who would then not have to physically monitor the location to see if the stop or gym "soon" appears. I usually submit in Ingress only because the dark mode is so much easier on my old eyes, but I wouldn't necessarily want a gift to appear in my Pokemon Go account from those submissions, because I think that would be too much overhead on the programming side of things and so I'd rate that as a lower priority.
Of course you are right, provided that the respective wayspot also goes live in the respective game.
Thank you for this summary of the discussion from the other thread.
Would love to get a gift for all the reasons mentioned. I also think the token reward would be desirable not for the XP/stardust itself, but simply as acknowledgement of getting a wayspot accepted.
I would also like the games to be linked. My heart does sink a little every time I see an Ingress portal I submitted through Pogo that doesn't recognize my in-game name at all. I would say this would be the lower priority for me though.
Your last point is an excellent one: thus far, Niantic developers have been unable to link the name of the submitter to anything but the game of origin. My Ingress nominations show as "unknown" in Pokemon, despite the fact that I've granted permission for my name to appear. That's partially why I think linking rewards to both games is a bit of an optimistic ask. :)
It shouldn't be that hard though - the Wayfarer medal syncs to both games, even if you haven't met the requirements to use Wayfarer in one of the games. The link is already there, they just need to make it work properly.
Certainly, it probably won't happen, at least not any time soon.
But I do think that Niantic should at least be aware of the optics of one game (and the game that is often considered their "pet" game) getting rewards while the other doesn't for the same task. This still applies even though the Ingress rewards are just token rewards (meaning that the recognition that the reward symbolizes is more important than the contents of the reward itself).
Since one of the Ambassador goals is "incentivizing Wayfarer," it is a particularly timely discussion. Maybe a little early - it will probably be brought up again in the near future.
I wouldn't mind although I don't think it would encourage any new reviewers/submitters going by how my local and not so local groups feel about Wayfare.
If they gave stardust for accepted POI that show up in the game it would:
1) incentivize GO players, especially PvPers, to care about WF
2) incentivize GO players who "can't be bothered" to finally understand cells and the rules for POI appearing in the game
I'd be able to hold classes with PvPers to get them involved with WF. I already give that crowd support but I just can't get most of them to care. Dust is the only thing (well, maybe Charged TMs) that motivates them.
I disagree. As a pvp player it would have to be a lot of stardust much more than Niantic would be willing to give.
Most pvp players have a plethora of charge/fast TM's they are easy to get.
If Stardust (as that seems to be the main one mentioned so far) was the reward, what would Pokémon GO players who use that want it to be? What’s a reasonable amount?
It varies. I currently have 7 million stardust, I know some with 4 times that although they don't play pvp.
I know some who play pvp whether that's GBL, Silph and/or the other competitions who only have 50,000 stardust.
On average I could spend 25-100k stardust on a Great League Pokémon, that would include a second move.
Ultra League on average will cost about 100-200k stardust unless it needs XL candy to get to 2,500 then it can cost 400k +.
Master League is a different beast. I don't play ML but just looking it would cost me upwards of half a million to max out a Kyogre to level 50.
If I go out and catch for an hour I can collect maybe 20k stardust probably more I've never tracked it
I've earnt about 25 million stardust from GBL.
I think there are quicker ways to get stardust. It would have to be a lot rewarded to encourage players.
I think the stardust would just be a token. 1000 let's say, because Ingress is 1000 AP and 1000 stardust is what high-end research tasks reward. Given the amount of work involved in getting a wayspot accepted, I don't see anyone would seriously do it to grind dust, but I don't imagine Ingress agents submit to grind AP either.
Either way, I'm more interested in a gift. It's a souvenir of your work and players who are submitting to grind dust are probably submitting a lot of coal just to see what sneaks through.
I see exactly the same! 👍🏻
But as mentioned, this badge should also be reactivated & introduced into PoGo! With the problems we have in Wayfarer, I don't see the problem, which is why this badge was removed from the game in 2015!
How about an in game badge of your wayspot?
I know that's crazy talk but it would be nice assuming it worked correctly...
Are you referring to something like this?
Not sure how it would be implemented, but it would be interesting.
Yeah, but showing your accepted Wayspots.
Also Graceland cemetery is cool if it's that one.
I'm happy Imy remark about the reward via ingress and not via pokemon go had so much emulation. For me 1000 dust and a gift from the portal would be nice and a fair balance.
I'd be happy with more than the zero we currently get.
Aim a bit higher though and see, it's Niantic we can only be disappointed at the outcome :D
The big problem with the Seer badge was that it created incentives to submit all sorts of junk in hopes that enough of it would get through to get the badge. The bigger problem with the Seer badge was that a lot of junk DID get through. Since we already have a massively backlogged queue of submissions to review, and there's already a ton of garbage in there, I don't think creating an additional incentive to submit everything in sight is going to be a net win.
I've argued for a long time that giving PoGo players a gift from their new wayspot would be a lovely gesture, just like Ingress players get a portal key.
How many portal keys can you have?
How long or how many uses do they have?
You could have 2,500 if you have the additional CORE space as that’s the inventory limit overall. 2,000 for free to play. Could be that many of one key, or a mixture of keys
You can keep them forever. You use one up if you do a link to that portal from another one.
You can use them to remotely view the Portal it’s a key for, and to remotely recharge said Portal.
(You should try the game to see. 40 more nominations when you hit level 10 and there’s a big event in November with lots of AP and bonuses usually)
I forgot to say too @The26thDoctor-PGO you can drop and pick up keys.
So I could arrange to drop a strategic Portal Key on the map near you, so you can pick it up and make a massive field or link.
You can also get keys to duplicate in Quantum Capsules (low chance of it happening).
Thanks, I did back in 2016 maybe. I didn't really enjoy it unfortunately. The community felt overly antagonistic to reach other, like the gym part of Go which has never really done much for me.
A portal key equivalent would be more like a Go player receiving a Wayspot badge that they could click on once a day to receive a gift from and maybe 100-250 stardust.
1,000 might be a bit much. I'd make a couple of a million in a week.
@The26thDoctor-PGO A badge that you could click on to receive a gift and some stardust every day would be nothing like a portal key. A portal is useless for getting items.
The main uses for a portal key are:
Here are a few screenshots of the key for the most recent portal that I got accepted. The first image is what I see when I tap on the key. The second is what I see when I tap on the portal image-- it shows me the remote view of the portal. The third is what I see if I tap on the portal from there... it's similar to the first but has some additional stuff. The fourth is what I see if I tap on the three dots menu, but most of the options are greyed out because I'm too far away to make changes.
Getting something for accepted submissions that let you get daily rewards would be a super bad idea, IMO. A gift one time would be OK.
Thank you.
OK sounds underwhelimigly adequate. That would be very apt :)
I do like the idea of getting a gift from the stop or gym when it goes live. That is really nice for the ones that are too far to get back to to spin (though hopefully you will some day). Last spring I added 30 POI to a small town 2 hours away. I doubt I'll ever end up spinning any of those because I have no reason to visit that town. I was just helping out a PGO player who had to move back there and was lamenting the lack of stops/gyms but couldn't figure out how to add them.
Exactly sometimes we go on vacation or we go to see friends in another city and we take time to propose pokestops and in the end we just have the satisfaction of knowing that it worked, but 0 rewards, legitimately we have the right to feel left out of ingress players
In Ingress, the TOTAL inventory limit is 3100, if you include the six key lockers which can only be used for keys and don't count against the overall inventory limit of 2500 or 2000. Theoretically I could use all 3100 slots for keys, but that would mean I have no resonators to make portals useful to my team, or weapons to make enemy portals less useful for the opposition. Most foreign keys I get from distant submissions go straight to a key locker, or if they're full, get a screenshot-and-recycle. Distant keys also are well out of range for recharging and have no real use. Imagine if stickers counted against inventory in Pokemon Go....how many would you keep?
Obviously you couldn't accumulate gifts ftom all the wayspots you got accepted, but you could certainly use the gift to save them in your postcard book, which is probably better than trying to hold on to all the portal keys since postcards don't affect inventory.