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What is the general opinion on these?
Located in the middle of here
Niantic says they are great wayspots:
They're still contested, I know a lot of UK reviewers still reject those.
Niantic accepted two of those on appeal for me. And they have said they're eligible. I don't necessarily like them myself, but Niantic wants them so 🤷♂️
How about when it's here?
Would it being on a wooden post instead change it?
How is this different from the other if at all?
I'm not being deliberately contentious just curious as to the different viewpoints and ways of looking at things.
They are both in traffic free areas that are for cyclists and pedestrians.
I'd still reject them as street signs, I'm not a fan of NCN things apart from the fish tails, sorry.
Even though they are trail markers?
All of those should be fine. Doesn't matter what material they are or what they are attached to. All that matters is they aid cyclists in continuing along the trail. Only exception is if they would be attached to the wall or fence of a prp or k-12 or something like that.
Some people don't like certain things as wayspots and choose to ignore the criteria/clarifications. It is best to ignore those people.
Those aren't trail markers, there's no trail name. As I said above, those are still contested, some people accept them, some reject... I'm on the reject side, and Nia do love their "it's upto the community" stance right?
NCN #4 is the trail?
If I submit with the water bin I'm asking for a rejection though?
That's just the route number, not a trail name, not a trail whatsoever.
Not if the reviewers follow the criteria. Reviewers should judge the trail (marker), not the object it is located on. There is nothing in the criteria that says a nomination may not be attached to a waste bin. Even a waste bin itself can be eligible. It may be a place were the local walking club meets every sunday for their morning walk. But you'd have a hard time convincing reviewers of that.
You could include a link to the website of the trail in the supporting information. https://www.sustrans.org.uk/find-a-route-on-the-national-cycle-network/route-4/ This just screams exploration and exercise to me.
There's a huge difference in me knowing that and knowing how reviewers will view it though.
Can you define a trail? I'm not sure I see the difference.
You could always try nominating it, and keep your expectations low. And we still have the appeal system.
Include the links I provided to the clarification and the website of the trail. More and more reviewers will be aware of the actual criteria. And the people who choose to ignore the criteria will get outnumbered. Might take some time and effort, but you will get there. And who knows, it might get accepted first try.
And for the definition of a trail? That is irrelevant. Even if people choose not to call it a trail, it still fulfills the same purpose of encouraging exploration and exercise.
Thanks. I have a couple of similar type in voting not on dog #!?# bins though :D
It was more to get a general idea of what people think about them? How does the location of a wayspot change how people vote? What are the different definitions people apply to walking trails, bike trails etc
Rolls eyes and takes a deep breath.
if people do the judgement correctly they will focus simply on the the content and not the location/material or if it’s a sunny day 🙄 or any other possible bias.
Reviewing and using judgement is about applying principles to a topic.
It is about the information the sign imparts.
NCN 4 is over 430 miles long - thats a lot of exercise and exploration. Of course this is an eligible route.
Its “name” is NCN 4. Nothing wrong with numbers as a name, the principle is that it is an identifiable route.
Sustrans have clear set of signage that they apply to help ensure ease of navigation and keeping things simple when appropriate and more detailed at other times.
I would rate these simple format ones as eligible, but depending on the context of following the route would then vary how strongly to rate on the other criteria.
So this sign conveys information clearly and succinctly on following NCN 4 to assist someone following this route.
Given Niantic’s emphasis on exercise and exploration it should be acceptable, and I would think Niantic would pass this.
Thanks. I think for these the location and route do them justice.
I can do the main photo, support and 360 without showing a hint of the dog p00p bin.
I was mostly interested in how things are perceived rather than submitting it.
Sounds like a plan 👍