This level of cluster and Niantic inconsistensies caused disparity between players in their game
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Found this in Twitter:
No need to said more, but Niantic still didnt enforce inclusion rules effectively. Note that I won't report the cluster because they won't meet removal criteria, nor report this via in-game support chat since they always request to use the form supposedly to be filled by property owners/directors. If anyone interested to find the cluster then why not to look at Campfire app?
@NianticLC if you decide to close this thread, then I request you to give enough educations to every Wayfinder involved first, just like what you'd love to do against reviewers who incorrectly rejecting nominations.
The strange thing is that this happens all the time. Is there a protocol in place as to what to do?🤷♀️
Its not rocket science
Wayfarer side it requires checking to establish If -big IF - the wayspots are accurate or not. It would seem logical that in a situation such as this you need to apply common sense about removal and not normal rules. Wayfarer could then be confident that Lightship is correct.
The other half is Pokémon Go. They should be able to force a new sync in this area and apply the current rules.
If the coding is there, the area could then be locked down.
If there is a will, there is a way.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were places like this in Peru as well. I see a lot of location edits on this forum from players in Peru requesting to move things like murals into already occupied cells (and I know I'm not the only one who has noticed it, as I've seen other people comment on them). The moves are valid, but that then makes you wonder how the wayspot happened to get accepted at the wrong location in a cell that just so happened to not have any Pokéstops or Gyms in it to begin with.
We have seen before with the Camp Navarro Wayspots that Niantic can remove a bunch of Wayspots, then switch them back on, and then the Wayspots process through game inclusion rules again.
(For those who don't know, some legacy Portal were removed in error. They are back on the Wayfarer/Lightship database, but do not show in Ingress as they don't meet the 20m inclusion rules)
Could this not be done for these kind of areas? Off for a few hours entirely and then back on, to sync following the inclusion rules?
I will wait to see this video.
Never mind, he said 48, there is no way its the same place I thought it was.
Reading through someone mentioned that it was for the Regional Championships in Natal at the weekend.
It seems like overkill compared to most other Championship venues but....Niantic
For those who don’t have access.
Tapped a few random gyms.
For comparison the recent regional event in Bochum
/Walks around picking up unused Wayfarer pitchforks.
Can someone explain to me how this is a Wayfarer problem? These gyms seem like something PGO added to their game map. The gaming company is free to add anything they want to their own map. It may be a mistake and it may be a bad idea, but that's on the game team to fix, not the Wayfarer team.
This feels like the polar opposite of the daily posts of "where's my pokestop?"
I edit my text because the tweet said 48 gyms and I counted around 32. So I wasn't sure ghe place was right anymore. But damn I was jealous.
It was going to be and it would have been fun waving pitchforks at those horrible Pokémon Yahoos... Next time!!! We'll get them!!!!
I have had my bonus location in Peru for about 7 months and I have not noticed anything looking like a location edit abuse cluster on the nearby. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but it's hard to base that with location edits on the forum as the only evidence. (I have reviewed mostly in Lima province but also a bit in Cusco, Arequipa, and between the two.)
As for how things could get accepted in a misplaced location, my first thought is how it often happens everywhere: the submitter just leaves the pin where they're standing when they take the photo. Satellite view in Peru is Not Good, especially in the desertic areas, so it could be hard to place a pin accurately for some types of objects.
Again, I'm not saying that abusive location edits don't happen, but I wouldn't immediately assume bad intent.
Idk but I can only think this: we know there's inclusion rule in each games and we're told not to "take advantage of inclusion rules to let Wayspots appear in the game". We already saw some people were pissed because their Wayspots won't appear in GO or Ingress, and some staffs here won't hesitate to warn people who are 'blatantly' requesting location edits only to let them appear in the games.
Yet inclusion rule still didn't work properly after location edits and thus abusive location edits are still happening even in this forum as pointed out by @HankWolfman-PGO . Wouldn't people be pissed even more when their Pokestops are blocked by another live Pokestop/Gym, meanwhile there are more than 1 Pokestops or gyms per 1 cell in some places in the world? Why did people be told not to use location edits in abusive way, meanwhile some people can abusing location edits without getting warned by Niantic?
I personally think that the Lightship database and the location data for each game should be resynchronized on a regular basis. (This can be automated with a routine program).
If the games are resynchronized periodically and sequentially at regular intervals, even if a game board is manipulated by illegally accumulating wayspots, the game's inclusive condition at the time of resynchronization will render the action meaningless.
@tp235-ING Hrmm. Isn't the game board being manipulated by updating the Lightship database? There may be something else going on but I thought this was being done through wayspot edits and voting cabals.
Perhaps you are right.
It's by "wayspot edits and voting cabals."
I'm not a native English speaker, so I'm not sure if I'm conveying my intentions accurately in this translation.
For example, let's say I set up an automatic program to resynchronize the data of a wayspot in a S2-Cell of a certain size.
I don't like to talk about S2-Cells, but let's say you resynchronize the wayspot data in a range of Lv6.
And this can be done by either the Wayfarer team or a specific game team.
Naturally, only after testing that it does not affect the others, but when resynchronized, the conditions for making a wayspot live spot (portal, Pokéstop) in each game will be re-applied.
In that case, the improperly accumulated wayspots should hide the wayspots within 20m for Ingress and the Lv17 cells for Pokémon GO.
(This was demonstrated recently with the wayspot in CampNavarro, where the Wayfarer team conducted an epic experiment.)
(At this point, the Pokémon GO bug that seems to bring back missing Pokestops when thumbs up on a gift photo should be fixed.)
This is one way to do it, but the disadvantages outweigh the advantages when abusers collude in the local community to cheat when addressed by the system.
As a result, cheating will lose its meaning and this kind of thing will disappear.
@tp235-ING Aha! I understand.
Another option is to have a background process that continuously scans the playfield looking for abnormalities. It could either clean them up itself or send a proposed cleanup to a human for review and implementation.
What you are seeing here is not related to Wayfarer wayspots actually. Those are "Niantic" made gyms/stops (with our logo in the image) which our Pokemon Go team often uses to populate locations for community days or Go Fest, Go Tour.
We had an issue with a local community event we ran in Brazil where some gyms which were created for that purpose were not correctly retired and ended up being clustered together.
We resolved the situation earlier today by retiring those "Niantic" made gyms.
Thanks for the report.
Thanks for confirming what I assumed to be the case. Not sure why others freaked out about this.
I'm a bit skeptical of your judgment.
It appears to me that some of these waypots have accumulated after having appeared unjustly in the wrong places.
Therefore, I believe that these wayspots need to investigate the timeline.
Also, I can't say for sure without a closer look, but it seems to me that this wayspot, for example, would fall under K-12. (A place where children are temporarily taken care of and education for children is provided)
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@NianThib thank you for your explanation and sorry for bothering. Meanwhile I'll leave this thread here:
The sponsored gyms at the mall disappeared here. It was no way as many as the cluster on Twitter. It's a bit sad we don't get as many sponsorship in pokestops/gyms as the US, Europe or Japan. Only McDonald's and not all are in game.
Yeah I get that was too much.