Explorers in Spain - Help Us Help You!
Glawhantojar-PGO
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Spanish Explorers & Wayfinders!
Congratulations on your country winning the vote for the upcoming Wayfarers challenge, while the Wayfarer Team and Ambassadors work through the finer details I wanted to ask a question:
What are some things in your country that we might see that reviewers might not see anywhere else?
What are some things that are culturally relevant in your country that reviewers might not recognize?
What are some things that might trip up reviewers when reviewing nominations from your country?
Post some pictures of things that are unique to your area, that will help reviewers from other countries who know nothing about Spain!
Help us do an amazing job in reviewing the nominations from your country!
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Hi! Thank you for making this discussion. Here are some things that maybe are less common in other areas but here in Spain they are common, and they are perfectly acceptable:
1. Frontones
These are more common in little villages, sometimes using the wall of the village's church, and they are used to play different sports.
2. Sculpted Heraldic Shields
These are a very unique piece of art located in the wall of a house, and references the surnames of the family living there. Some of them are historical and are there since ages.
3. Trail markers
We have a lot of types of trail markers, including the first photo, that is a trail along one of the biggest rivers in Spain, and the second photo, that is a biking trail in my city.
I hope if you find one of this kind of Wayspots you review it well!
I would never guess what the first thing was for only from the picture.
This is helpful.
I also think it would be useful for submitters in Spain to check their submissions and add any additional text that might help ensure that a reviewer from a different continent understands and accepts their submission.
Thank you very much @vop020506-ING
2. Sculpted Heraldic Shields
I think the culture is different here, and the shields don't feel like they are in a private property, it's more like they are exposed to the public in the wall of the house. And also the reviewers here are used to review good this kind of shields.
If they are on single family prp they will be rejected then.
We have a lot of these in the UK. Lots in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee etc where the Victorians loved to stamp the date with an ornate crest on the tenement( multi family apartments) buildings. There can be 30 on a street. I'm not sure these crests pass any criteria?
Have a more thorough read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fronton_(court)
2.If the crest is on a single private residential property, it is ineligible, no matter what locals actually vote.
https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/criteria/rejection
3.I will do 1 rant for every rejected trail marker during the challenge
Question for local reviewers in Spain, suppose I wanted to nominate the emblem of Nuestra Señora de la Paz on the left,
a) How would you know whether a building is single private residential property or not?
b) What other details may make or break this nomination based solely from this location screenshot?
c) Single two-story building with multiple storefronts on the first floor and ambiguous 2nd floor. What do you typically do with those?
Street view screenshot as sample only
@PaulingZubat-PGO thank you that is exactly the kind of picture I had in mind.
in the terms of Niantic, we would have to reject it.
i think trying to get a clear understanding of PRP and what it looks like along with other things before the challenge will be very useful.
ideally we can then pull outcomes into one place as an easy accessible resource.
@PaulingZubat-PGO this is a good starter example. And it would be interesting to hear some insight into what the residential part of this type of low level building typically is.
Locally in U.K. we have a similar situation. Main shopping streets often have this mix use and often may look like simply Ground floor commercial, floor above residential. These would be agreed.
@vop020506-ING it doesn’t matter if locally wayfinders have been using the “it can been seen from a public area” argument. The ruling from Niantic is clear and consistent that anything on PRP including the outside of a private wall is PRP, and that is how global reviewers will correctly vote to reject.
We would need Niantic to clarify the criteria about PRP, however, if you find one shield please take a look where it's placed, some of them are on historical palaces or town halls.
Town halls would not be an issue palaces might be if they are a single family residence. Is it common for these to be converted into flats? Maybe some examples to give an idea would be useful.
Some of the palaces are usually museums or tourist attractions, and others are converted to hotels, like this one:
Hello, there is a plan to publish a guide in english for the challenge, showing some of the typical things you could find during the reviews. It will be shared with the ambassadors and they will share it with other communities.
This is not true. In Spain shields are considered PRP if they are in the wall of a house, they have to be rejected. Shields are reviewed good if they are in public buildings.
Some palaces are converted into flats and they should be rejected. Others are used as a museum or other touristic purposes.
Ok, this may be then my misunderstanding of the criteria, since when I started submitting they were accepted, and I have seen a lot of them being accepted, I thought they were ok. Then if you find one in PRP is a rejection, but if it's on a public place, they are acceptable
it is a common misunderstanding.
Niantic has had been sued over the issue (in the USA) and gives out the parole worldwide to not accept anything that is on or within 40m of a private 1-family-home-property.
The definition of that is vague; you usually would "have something in mind" that is in suburb of Los Angeles and has a little garden all around it.
Reality is a bit different. The Community has made it´s own ideas out of this rule.
@MegaTrainerRed-PGO
Why would one large building made up of multiple residencies be considered as a single private residential property?
My previous comment would like to put this distinction of PRP and non-PRP locations for similar looking buildings to a test. What typical evidence do submitters use to show the historical places from PRP?
@MegaTrainerRed-PGO by flats, do you mean apartments/inn or bed spaces inside a family home? Looking forward to that guide, thanks!
No no no, maybe I didn't explain myself correctly because I don't have the best english level. Multiple residences in a large building is not PRP. One building for one just residence is PRP.
In general, here in Spain we have to look at the dimensions of the building (we know more or less how is a PRP or a building with more residencides inside). Also we look at the number of doorbells, mailboxes or doors located outside.
And maybe I shouldn't used the word flat. I wanted to refer that some people buy this palaces and use them as their own house, being a PRP. I don't know if I explained myself well now. Also, the guide will be prepared before the challenge starts.
Without any background info on the building adornments why they exist, who built them, their local relevance etc what makes them pass the criteria?
Spain might be sorry they won.
I discovered a trap for German reviewers, don't confuse the spanish word "gimnasio" with "Gymnasium" (high school). It seems to be more something like a gym.
Maybe someone can explain more.
el gimnasio die Turnhalle Pl.: die Turnhallen el gimnasio der Gymnastikraum Pl. el gimnasio die Sporthalle Pl.: die Sporthallen el gimnasio das Fitnesscenter Pl.: die Fitnesscenter el gimnasio das Fitnessstudio auch: Fitness-Studio Pl.: die Fitnessstudios, die Fitness-Studios el gimnasio das Fitnesszentrum Pl.: die Fitnesszentren el gimnasio der Turnsaal Pl.: die Turnsäle el gimnasio das Sportstudio Pl.: die Sportstudios - Fitnessstudio el gimnasio [SPORT] der Fitnessraum Pl.: die Fitnessräume gimnasio de escalada die Kletterhalle Pl.: die Kletterhallen
@MegaTrainerRed-PGO thanks. I’m sure we will have lots of “lost in translation” instances 👍 I’m trying to get used to some phrases I’m likely to come across.
@The26thDoctor-PGO I think this is the sort of the area where those in Spain might want to edit and add info. They may well be regarded there like a pub or park and consider there is no need for much description. Would that be correct MegaTrainer? Or is a case for exploration always made?
@29andCounting-PGO quite possibly
This is a gate that was used to open the water so that the orchards were irrigated. Now they are not used as much but they are kept as a memory of another era.
Hi in Spain we got Water faces and they are hystoricals and they are located in the street so they are accesible for all people
here is the reference
Thanks
i might get hysterical, but this just is another example for "huh? PRP?".
@Silverio1420-ING i do many reviews each day where people tell me "accessible for everyone" AND "easily reachable from the pavement/street"
Still, bear in mind that "accessible for everyone" and "easily reachable" doesnt mean that it isnt in the 40m range of a private 1-family-home.
Spain is a country where there are many hiking and cycling routes, which is why it is very common to find many markers of this style, especially in towns. In this kind of signs they show you the name of the route, key information for hikers or cyclists such as the km and remaining time on the route, and above all the direction.
I get enough rejections without clear motives (several of them become valid POIs after being appealed) to think that the ones that can be rejected by "misunderstanding about Spain" could be enough compensated by more POIs being correctly validated by more fair reviewers.
Here in Spain, in general, POIs don't have elaborated descriptions. They usually have short and poor descriptions. Pubs and park don't usually get accepted and they usually are bad submitted. I know we have a lot to improve in our country and we will have a lots of "lost in translation" instances but we will have to work all together to have a good challenge.
Ninatic reviewers are not the holy grail of reviewing or criteria, they get stuff wrong all the time and especially in non english languages, so one should not rely on their judgement