Is it time to start retiring ALL cemetery gravestones/mausoleums

Mirthmaker-INGMirthmaker-ING Posts: 42 ✭✭
edited March 24 in General Discussion

Under what circumstances will any graves headstones mausoleums or tombs be removed as portals?

I argue that ALL except for very specific exceptions (E.g., The Eternal Flame in Arlington, Virginia, USA) go away to discourage anyone who shouldn't be at a cemetery from ever going.

Bottom line: The front door is fair game, nothing inside is.



  • Mirthmaker-INGMirthmaker-ING Posts: 42 ✭✭

    Need some examples, the only one thacomes to mind is Arlington ( The eternal flame) .

    Even Père Lachaise (Paris) and Recoleta ( Buenos Aires) are still active.

    Long term trying to NOT have half hour before closing shenanigans and have them be fought over. I don't think this is what was meant by get out and move.

  • Mirthmaker-INGMirthmaker-ING Posts: 42 ✭✭

    Set certain hours is obvious - operating hours in the box I play in- it's the former that causes issues.

  • Mxx-INGMxx-ING Posts: 121 ✭✭✭
    edited May 21

    You complain about something yet you go do it yourself. You go into a cemetery 5 minutes before the closing and have the nerve to complain about "shenanigans"?!

    You are a hypocrite and your words have no honor. All you know is how to play a victim.

  • MargariteDVille-INGMargariteDVille-ING Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't like Wayspots at recent graves at a non-public cemetery, where grievers have a reasonable expectation of privacy to cry without being disturbed by clueless gamers.

    If the grave is older than 25 years, and either the person is famous OR it has a nice statue (often an angel or lamb) - sure. (There are gradations of yes/no along these lines - it's situational.)

    If the cemetery advertises itself as a park, walking trail, or tourist destination - of course!

    Just google Cemetery Tourism - it's big and getting bigger. For example

  • 29andCounting-PGO29andCounting-PGO Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grievers in a public cemetery do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy. You’re using that term incorrectly. You have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your home or backyard, for example.

  • Kaylee0712-PGOKaylee0712-PGO Posts: 61 ✭✭

    I generally reject cemeteries as location sensitive, but as someone who lives in Arlington, by the cemetery OP mentioned, I wanted to point out that even Arlington is still an active cemetery. There are burials there that happen, even as tourists mill around to see the eternal flame or Tomb of the Unknown. So it’s not as great of an exception as OP tried to make it seem. It’s all relative, as others have said. OP is a bit of a hypocrite with that one.

  • patsufredo-PGOpatsufredo-PGO Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They just want the Portals conquered by opposing faction to be removed. Such a display of in-sportsmanship from Ingress player.

    They need to learn some examples from Pokemon GO players for taking down Shadow Mewtwo from Shadow Raids together without knowing what team they are.

  • Shilfiell-INGShilfiell-ING Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ingress is, for the most part, a team versus team game. When Niantic removed team advantage from raids in Pokemon Go, they essentially removed a key competitive element and it no longer really matters what team one is on, except in gym control which is now more transactional than competitive with many players having agreements so that all players can get maximum coins. My main point is, I guess, that the two games are vastly different and what's right for one game is not necessarily right for the other. That doesn't mean that bad actions such as malicious removals or strategic location edits are acceptable, they're not. Legitimate team competition in game, though, is what makes Ingress fun.

  • tp235-INGtp235-ING Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Personally, I do not like cemeteries that have grave markers of unknown civilians next to them, even if the markers are of famous people, and still in operation.

    I have given an example before, but John Lennon's Strawberry Fields in Central Park is appropriate as a WAYSPOT.

    In general, however, cemetery grounds are very sensitive places.

    Since Arlington Cemetery was mentioned here, my impression is that "Marine Corps War Memorial , USMC War Memorial" might be appropriate.

    And from what I can see, there are no grave markers in that vicinity.

    But "Tomb of the Unknowns" is a place to pray and the area around it seems too sensitive.

    I personally feel that this area needs to be sorted out.

    We are one citizen before we are game players.

    Without the tolerance of uninvolved citizens, we cannot play the game.


    Well, I'm sure there are different views on that, but I would not be proud in any way to defeat Shadow Mewtwo with my alt account.

    Pokémon GO players have become so desensitized to the ToS.

    At least I wouldn't want to develop a relationship with someone who can't even follow the rules of the game.

  • tp235-INGtp235-ING Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know that such cemeteries also exist.

    In Japan, the Yokohama Foreign General Cemetery, where burials were once held, has become a tourist attraction.

    Toda Memorial Cemetery Park, which is an active cemetery, is famous for its cherry blossoms.

    However, such cemeteries are usually officially advertised on the web or in pamphlets.

    If you can show that when you make your nomination, you will be closer to approval.

    However, as you say, there are cemeteries where the opposite is true.

    And there are countless churches, shrines, temples, and other religious institutions that have been removed.

    Of course, this is not an easy thing to stipulate.

    However, the criteria currently set forth by Niantic are very poor.

    The distinction between individuals and groups and the order of priority is too unclear.

    I hope the team staff and ambassadors will clarify this.

  • rodensteiner-INGrodensteiner-ING Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We had 2 perfectly good wayspots removed a short while ago. They only were online for a few days.

    Both were rememberance monuments.

    They only could have been asked to remove by the opposing ingress faction player that is active there.

  • Mxx-INGMxx-ING Posts: 121 ✭✭✭

    Except wayfarer has explicitly mentioned acceptance criteria of "Public places of worship".

    What OP was complaining about are actually huge family tombs and mausoleums constructed by notable members of the Brooklyn Jewish community probably over 100 years ago. Nothing recent.

    He has 0 genuine concern for any sensitivity or respect for the location. His singular desire is to remove a wayspot used in Ingress by the opposite team which he despises(and I don't use that word lightly here). Look at his other appeal posts - every single one is in the territory dominated by the opposite faction.

  • Cowyn2016-PGOCowyn2016-PGO Posts: 519 ✭✭✭✭

    I totally get it. My point was to show that the some communities idea that "All graveyards are somehow sensitive locations" is pretty crappy idea when you logically compare that attitude to churches. If anything GY should be explicitly mentioned as an acceptance location like a church, and leave it up to local communites to know the attitude of their local GY with the backup being the GY can request a removal just like a church can.

    As for Ingress Abuse: Perhaps Ingress needs to impliment a rule like you can only request removal (or other edits) of portals that your own faction has controlled for more than 72 hours. If your team hasn't controlled the portal for 72 hours, you simply don't get an edit/removal option on that portal. This would make it where Ingress players are only going to edit/remove stuff that they believe really should be edit/removed because it hurts their own faction, rather than abusing the system in an attempt to hurt the other faction. I am not sure though if that's an idea for Wayfarer Forums or Ingress Ones.

  • WheelTrekker-INGWheelTrekker-ING Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This might shock you, but Pokémon go isn't the only game where people have multiple accounts. It's only the one where they openly brag about them.

  • Cowyn2016-PGOCowyn2016-PGO Posts: 519 ✭✭✭✭

    What does having multiple accounts have to do with this particular form of abuse?????? Reporting POIs to get them taken down to hurt the opposing faction isn't an issue for Pokemon Go. Sure it has 3 teams, but the game isn't built competitively enough for people to abuse removal requests.

    Abusive Removal Requests or Edits to hurt the other faction (team), is an Ingress Only Abuse that they could fix by simply requring a faction to control a portal for some length of time (I arbitrarily picked 72 hours) before Ingress players could edit/remove.

    This isn't meant as a slam on Ingress players or to say Pokemon Players don't have other abuse issues, its just a potential fix to an Ingress Only Problem.

  • patsufredo-PGOpatsufredo-PGO Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nah. They just need any report function or whatever to temporary or permanently close Portals they can't reach so it won't bother other games especially Pokemon GO.

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