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I do not have all details, nor do I wish to share all.
The players in question were most likely not aware of what the Wayspots actually are. Ofcourse they moved out of the way quickly when needed. My point is twofold:
So, why should I (and other players) bother reporting these?
@Elijustrying-ING I have no clue where to retrieve these ticket numbers, the chat history on Wayfarer Support does not show all conversations anymore. The mails from Ingress reports do not contain ticket numbers.
i don't know where to find the ticket numbers. But why we need them? I literally provided all information in the post earlier here. Reported them in-game and here. But no one capable is taking action. I'm not doing a single review on Wayfarer anymore until NL issues are being resolved. Anyone not living here will never understand how immensely demotivating this **** is...
IMHO people that deliberately submit the most stupid **** portals or review them as correct deserve a Holliday from the wayfarer program. And if they continue to submit or accept coal submits maybe they need a vacation from their game to.....
"The amount of worthless junk portals is to damn high"
I hardly ever start wayfarer anymore because of all the worthless stuff you get to review. And then, when you had 5 **** portals in a row, wayfarer warns you for making to much of the same reviews 🤨
I have some coal portals like a lot of grafitti and some other stuf..
MES Grafitti https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.576318,5.051825
Black Grafitti Hotus https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.576968,5.052009
AMEN Grafitti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.576465,5.050824
bus grafitti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.576121,5.050733
mes <3 https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.574947,5.051018
JESA Grafitti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.576313,5.053375
Hearts mural on the wall https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.576107,5.054827
CMB Grafitti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.576419,5.055971
SABO Grafitti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.575908,5.056629
Amen, Gzur & Fers graffiti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.575507,5.055954
verdeelkast ? https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.575176,5.059311
TRAB graffiti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.573799,5.055214
mesi trab https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.573537,5.054853
Toonant & Sabe graffiti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.57315,5.054551
SERS! graffiti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.572219,5.056787
Yellow & Cez graffiti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.571689,5.05697
MECWA Graffiti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.572528,5.057621
bankje jagerslaan https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.572468,5.058142
CERNA graffiti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.572338,5.058534
B125 T 06 https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.572124,5.058545
De winkel van sinkel https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.572101,5.058982
bazaar brunostraat https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.572143,5.059349
nur durum https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.571966,5.059588
TRAB Graffiti benedictuslaan https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.572153,5.060029
Tilburg schoon https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.571168,5.060157
Ingang Noord https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.573917,5.063762
Istanbul Bazar https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.573829,5.064464
Mes / Cewx Graffiti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.573203,5.049619
DARA Colored Graffiti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.57072,5.054371
Aardbeien Taartjes muurschildering https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.570421,5.054597
BIG grafitti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.570646,5.05933
TRAB Letters on the wall https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.570676,5.058959
GHES graffiti wallart https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.570775,5.058662
pop verdeelkast https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.57131,5.058225
SURCA Graffiti https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.569767,5.058344
verdeelkast mes https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.56993,5.058618
Suras Graffiti https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.56931,5.056213
verdeelkast trap https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.569575,5.055243
such a shame these wayspots.
Thanks for response. I was hoping that by having the ticket numbers we could easily feedback that these were examples of reports that needed different handling. Trying to improve.
if I was in the Netherlands I wouldn’t be reviewing. I feel frustrated by the situation but that can only be a fraction of what you that are in it will feel.
Only dug through the first two pages of this discussion. Same **** is also happening in Belgium. It's insane. I and others have tried to remove invalid wayspots like these. In the end local PoGO communities are putting the blame on us for successfully removing fake and/or private residential property wayspots and advice us to stop as this is the "new reality".
Last month I cleaned up about 20 to 25 wayspots in a town. They were all fake or misplaced up to 300 meter. Spend quite some time on that. Was told each time by support sanctions were made on the accounts. Just a month later all the removed wayspots were replaced by another round of fake or misplaced junk... Just wasting my time trying to correct stuff.
Yes, ultimatively the persons that are
a) reporting abuse
b) revealing abuse on platforms (like this), on telegram etc.
c) reject these in voting
are ALWAYS the ones that get the blame (95% online, 5% in Person).
Players are saying "it is for the better of the games, Niantic is a bad company, there arent enough pokestops/gyms around" and justify this.
Niantic isnt doing enough to keep their database clean. As you said correctly, you will waste your time correcting this and end up with Niantic´s Call-Center Employees rejecting your plead. This applies to the same problems when reporting Gym-Abuse. A spoofer blocking a town 24/7? Niantic doesnt do anything about it.
Theres only one solution here: Just relax, take a few steps away from the game / computer / smartphone and be sure that this is just dead pixels thrown around. It wont make your plate full at the end of the day, and it wont be with you in a few years time. Ultimately these tantrums are not good for your health.
Today's review: a dog interdiction sign, a lamp post, a graffiti scribble, a tile on someone's driveway, a random patch of flowers and a fence (because it has a letter in it).
I'm done reviewing for today, but keeping tabs on the areas. Curious to know if they'll be online, and curious about what else is going on in those areas.
(They have their own thread https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/44412/with-submission-and-accepted-nominations-like-these-we-dont-need-the-wayfarer-platform-anymore ), but on advice from another agent:
Paaltje bij onze neksloot
Straatbord Anna Blamanhof
^street name sign (with no little text beneath, so no 'historic value', not starting that discussion again ;) )
@Jeroenix-ING was right that there was indeed more abuse around those locations
@NianticAaron there is a insane abuse hotspot in that part of Den Bosch. These aren't even all the nomination but there are too many to screenshot in that location. So maybe also look into abuse hotspot locations as @Jeroenix-ING already mentioned?
Upon (even) closer look, @pieniechan-PGO ,this appears to be a huge Wayfarer abuse hotspot indeed. On top of all the poor 'graffiti' (not more than scribbles with a marker) nominations and street name signs, here are standard gas/water infrastructure signs:
These look like this: https://indebuurt.nl/rotterdam/genieten-van/mysteries/aanwijsplaten-in-rotterdam~101899/ and are meant for municipal service personnel.
I do hope Niantic and ambassadors are still reading this and inventorying.
We are looking closely into the abuse reports from Netherlands and are taking strict actions on the Wayfinders who have been abusing the system.
@NianticAaron please take action ASAP before the gameboard reaches an unfixable and irreversable state. I'm fearing Netherlands gameboard will become like a post-apocalyptic world where we can never go back to how it was before. And that saddens me deeply.
More abuse from Den Bosch
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Time to chase after more coal spots so
Wandelende Kroon grafitti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.394403,5.486631
Grasmaaiende Tuinkabouter https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.39444,5.487361
I'll be your mirror https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.396112,5.488304
QR Code route Eindhoven, Wijk 2 https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.408374,5.481189
QR Code route Eindhoven, Wijk 2 https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.408858,5.481329
^a bunch of the above wayspots can be found in Eindhoven. They are markers to the local government, when a street light broke. It's a way to point them at it. Do i have to report them all, because there are a lot of them. Btw, what happened to the General Business like this wayspot?
Bakker Bart Eindhoven https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.440352,5.477205
Aanschot speel en picknick park https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.487948,5.469248
G H grafitti art https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=51.445425,5.491554
I went to a little island last week, and almost went to these very dirty toilet.. and yes it's a portal. https://intel.ingress.com/?ll=51.687177,4.090938&z=16&pll=51.687177,4.090938
The one nearby also is just coal. A table to picknick, lol https://intel.ingress.com/?ll=51.686775,4.091542&z=16&pll=51.686775,4.091542
Of course picnic tables had to be a part of this discussion too! These are great places for socialization and may encourage exploration as one looks for a place to rest and eat. While these may not be bolted or cemented into the ground, it’s easy to see that the grass underneath them is weathered down by heavy use, indicating these have been in this location for some time. If they’re located close together then it can constitute one nomination but if they’re at opposite sides of the park with significant distance between them, then that might constitute for another Wayspot nomination.
Might want to update your knowledge of the criteria...
Not only in the Netherlands.
The whole world is already doing so.
What should we do about the low quality WAYSPOT first? should be discussed with the ambassadors and the director of each game.
The streetlight is accepted.
New showcase beauty the location for it is the middle of a lake 😅
@NianticTintino-ING or @NianticAaron I do have a question about the current voting judgment stats because of the current coal nominations being accepted, and for the few people that are still voting; are their voting ratings also now wrong? As example I vote 1☆ for the streetlight, like we are supposed to do and the bots vote 5☆ . The streetlight gets accepted. Does my rating go down now ?
distribution center for a supermarket.
Poi 3 :
Poi 5 :
Poi 6 :
Poi 7 :
Wijnsel Geldrop https://link.ingress.com/?link=https%3a%2f%2fintel.ingress.com%2fportal%2f4fc859f58fbd3582a8666cbfdc6af835.16&apn=com.nianticproject.ingress&isi=576505181&ibi=com.google.ingress&ifl=https%3a%2f%2fapps.apple.com%2fapp%2fingress%2fid576505181&ofl=https%3a%2f%2fintel.ingress.com%2fintel%3fpll%3d51.431219%2c5.562707
Related to NL abuse, we have two different cases happened in Belgium.
One was rejected because of "school" text:
While another one was accepted even though it's just street lights. The OP has learned their mistake anyway:
51.986087,5.906492 - "Historical lamp" - stolen from 51.986087,5.906492 (Lantaren Brug is the only right one).
51.689292,5.335464 - "graffiti stroomkast" - standard powerbox with tag
51.526149,5.638571 - "Straatlantaarn Jan van Amstelstraat en Karel Doormansstraat" - generic lamp post I observed earlier in review, it came online. (@pieniechan-PGO Yep, saw it too, cost us an agreement)
The entire city of Huizen, Netherlands should be looked at. This is about the biggest coal collection I've yet encountered and I don't have the means to list them all effectively. Here's a sample:
52.299335,5.224113 - "Het vervaagde Wandelpad" - traffic sign G7 'foot path'
52.305327,5.235972 - "Lego blocks" - traffic bollards
52.292099,5.230443 - "Elektriciteitshuisje - Doctor de Visserlaan" - powerbox.
52.304523,5.234538 - "Elektriciteitshuisje - Jotterpad" - power box
52.302518,5.261527 - utilities building huizermaat west" - what it says.
52.29477,5.262786 - Postbus - Oostermeent" - a mailbox
52.304202,5.231 - "B113 - Magdaleenweg" - Municipal service personnel infrastructure sign
52.304627,5.232079 - "B149 - Prinses Irenestraat" - Municipal service personnel infrastructure sign
52.304773,5.234016 - "B320 - Prinses Irenestraat" - Municipal service personnel infrastructure sign
52.305129,5.252628 - "Kinderdagverblijf Parto" - A K12 daycare center itself!
..plus numerous stencil tiles of animals on pavers, traffic signs, random alleys..
anyone want to take a further look around, be my guest. The amount of Wayspots there are so numerous I'm going to have to approach this in stages. :)
To summarize, the abusers, either they're bots or actual human reviewers, will tend to accept every nominations that don't meet any rejection criteria (in other words, they'll also accept nominations that won't meet any of 3 eligibility criteria). We have seen some examples of rejected nominations from the Netherlands and nearby countries in this forum when this abuse report started to arise.
To stop them completely is another matter...
I will help you with Huizen @Jeroenix-ING
These tiles where mentioned before here :
Someone's front garden
There are also a lot of painted pokemon tiles
This title also needs a check because it can be considered as something else.
They even show how much they care about this abuse.
Could we just turn off reviews and submits for that Area for a while?
Its really frustrating, all my good reviews come back with bogus rejection reasons multiple times, and I actually begin to feel bad to resubmit them because i run out of ideas how to improve them (and they don't actually need improvement).
Also the amount of coal when reviewing is simply insane. Its not fun to do or anything. I normally enjoy revieiwing, but at the moment, i might do like 5 reviews and then i'm done because im voting on coal that will, despite me rejecting it, make into the Database (and tank my rating in the process) and the good ones i rate will be overturned by some only-coal-accepting-bots.
Maybe it actually is time for Niantic to do reviews themselves. Seems AI is now easily accesable and programmable enough to make wayfarer collapse (in a region, now, but maybe worldwide later)
Also a Question: Can players be banned for resubmitting wayspots wich are not actually coal without improvements in this area? because if, I might just stop using wayfarer until this is resolved, wich seems to take a while.
Also: Upgrades don't work in this Area as well. they seem to be even slower than normal submits.