Confusion about rejected nominations
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I've had two nominations rejected and I'm quite confused. They are both on a public street, with a public sidewalk, and both were flagged as 'private residence'. Now they are the entrance signs to residences and maybe that could be borderline, but there are three other similar pokestops on the street/loop already at other entrance signs. What's the deal?
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Firstly, don’t take what’s already accepted/on the map as what’s eligible or acceptable.
Coal slips through sometimes and criteria can change.
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I’ve attached the two. Both are on the street, on a good walking loop around a neighborhood that has a school and lots of kids walking daily. Just down the street, three more of these signs have stops at them. I understand one being a mistake but three?
These seem to follow all of the guidelines and I would and have approved stops in other cities just like these. What has changed?
Neighbourhood signs don't meet the eligibility criteria of a great place to exercise, socialise or explore by themselves. The correct rejection reason for them is 1* Other Rejection Criteria.
Unfortunately they are one of the most common things that get wrongfully accepted when they are not actually eligible. People then see the ones that get incorrectly accepted and then nominate more, and you can see how that starts to snowball.
An artistic neighbourhood sign, or one that has something like an ornamental water feature attached to it, can be eligible, but in that case the nomination is more about the art/water feature than the sign itself, as that's the bit that encourages exploration.
But in this case, it would be considered a great place to exercise and explore, especially if you take the greater area into account. IMO, this was blindly rejected without even looking at the surrounding area. I know this won’t change anything in the voting, but this was a blatant miss, especially considering the subjective reason provided above.
If you are saying that it is a "great place to exercise" because it is next to a sidewalk, that is not what that criteria is for. Every random object along a sidewalk is not eligible just because people can walk past it.
That isn't how it works. Like I said, it's a generic sign that doesn't meet those criteria by itself.
Things within the neighbourhood encourage you to explore the neighbourhood. A neighbourhood sign by itself doesn't do that.
I guess that’s what is confusing to me. What makes a place or stop a ‘good place to exercise’? Who decides that a sign is good some days and bad others? I thought it was the environment that was the good place and the sign is just a stop along the way?
Is there more detailed criteria with specific examples to help new submissions and ensure approvals are judged on the same criteria?
Have you started here?
https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/criteria/eligibility
I have. There’s too much ambiguity and subjectiveness there. I was hoping for something that supports criteria better.
If there are specific things that interest you, you can search recent guidance for clarification, but if you want something that says X always is eligible, you’ll not find that. The key is to provide a convincing argument as to why something is great place to socialize, exercise, or explore.
A good place to exercise is some place that people go to for the purpose of exercising. For example, a sports field, a public gym, or a running track. I don't go to a community sign in order to work out or do some other physical activity. Again, just because you can walk by something because it is beside a sidewalk doesn't mean it meets the eligibility criteria.
The criteria are broad so they can be applied to a range of situations on a global basis.
It is worth having a browse through some of the posts in this section and nomination improvement. You will find examples of different situations being discussed. Sometimes things are clear sometimes they are more subjective - such is the nature of Wayfarer which is all about judgements.
For your example you have settled on exercise. You wouldn’t go to that spot to exercise, or stand around at that specific spot socialising and it’s not something you would spend time looking at that’s not surprising as it is not built for that purpose. It’s one task is to say where you are just like a street sign on a slightly bigger scale. So it is not eligible.
Just don't nominate neighborhood or apartment signs. I reject them all the time unless it's fabulously artistic and unique or with a clock tower or water fall, maybe.
That was the first rookie mistake I made. Since then, I've moved on and created even better Waystops in my area. I still get surprising acceptance and rejections, though. I thought some testy ugly ones would be rejected and carefully established beautiful ones accepted but just the opposite happens reluctantly.