in a lot of cases they have been used to gain extra wayspots, which can be seen as abusive. There are obviously also cases of nice community projects, how to distinguish between the two?
Simple. Don't see it as abusive. If people want to go through the effort of making/buying one of those tiles and placing them on the sidewalk in front of their house, are they not beautifying their environment by doing so? How is that a bad thing?
Now, if they just swipe some pictures of a mosaic tile off the internet and attempt to create a fake PoI, THAT's abusive. As long as they can prove that it's 100% there in their submission, it's fine with me.
Well technically one can argue that replacing a tile is also vandalism as you are 'damaging' public property. All borderline cases apparently still resulting in discussion. Let's just stick to finding local gems that's what wayfarer was meant for anyways :)
By that logic, creating a graffiti mural on a building or under an overpass is also vandalism and "defacing" of public property. Guess murals have to be considered abuse then too.
What if a local PoGo-playing graffiti artist creates a spectacular mural just for the sake of submitting it as a Pokestop? Also abuse?
If there was another reason than low-quality waypoints, they could mention that, or clarified it further why even old waypoints now qualified for removal and not grandfathering.
If Niantic don't know what to do in this case because they lack local knowledge, they could throw them back into voting and let the local community solve it. If they had doubt if the local community could pick it up, they could add an upgrade, so it will be decided by a bigger part of the country, not only the local community.
Or remove them, clarify what's needed to have them accepted, and let the community renominate them.
When Niantic do think the points are abusive and want to keep it into their own hands, just name it as is, and let specific ones be appealed and don't just ignore topics about them.
I know what you mean .... and now that those stops are gone, what does Niantic think wil happen? I think people will just submit them again and only because they don't know better. 99% of the playerbase doesn't know why they are gone and will absolutely see no problem to submit them. 99% of players don't ever come to this forum. And when I say people I don't mean the same people that submitted in the first place. Also others will and then that same tile that mas marked as abuse wil appear again and then you totally can't talk of abuse again. People will always wil try to find thing to submit.
The question is: who is removing these mosaic tiles? Is it Niantic? Then I can somehow understand. They probably care more about creating a poi database than about the games.
But what if these are reported by players? That I cannot understand. Who benefits from removing poi's from the game? What kind of persons enjoy ruining the games for other people?
Ingress players will gladly get a portal removed if it's one that gets used by the other team a lot, or if it's the home portal of a player on the enemy team.
There are over a hundred removed in my city. I doubt a single person or small group is reporting all these tiles all over. It really sounds like someone at Niantic is going nuts over it but they refuse to answer us here...
You'd be surprised. It's crazy how openly hostile my local in-game Ingress chat is. Accusing people of removing home portals, accusing people of "playing with multiple accounts", etc.
The PoGo community is so much more chill than that.
Are you also looking into our Mosaic Tiles over the city that were removed from the game??? All our community members worked hard to make and place these tiles. I'm noticing you just don't care about our community.
Aaron why do other wayfarer employees like tintino and Danbocat say they are eligible then?? A lot of those mosaic tiles look nice and now you are just angering hard working people who pretty up the neighbourhoods. Also not all mosaic tiles are created because of Pokémon go or have anything to do with it..
It's amazing how many things have been ruined by entitled individuals wreaking havoc on the wayspot map.
Why are the folks in this thread threatening Niantic not yet banned?
Seems like Wayfarer should be shut off entirely in the Netherlands for a while. This would be entirely in line with the severity of what these folks are doing.
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This is the latest comment on mosaic tiles I could find: https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/218503#Comment_218503
in a lot of cases they have been used to gain extra wayspots, which can be seen as abusive. There are obviously also cases of nice community projects, how to distinguish between the two?
Simple. Don't see it as abusive. If people want to go through the effort of making/buying one of those tiles and placing them on the sidewalk in front of their house, are they not beautifying their environment by doing so? How is that a bad thing?
Now, if they just swipe some pictures of a mosaic tile off the internet and attempt to create a fake PoI, THAT's abusive. As long as they can prove that it's 100% there in their submission, it's fine with me.
Well technically one can argue that replacing a tile is also vandalism as you are 'damaging' public property. All borderline cases apparently still resulting in discussion. Let's just stick to finding local gems that's what wayfarer was meant for anyways :)
By that logic, creating a graffiti mural on a building or under an overpass is also vandalism and "defacing" of public property. Guess murals have to be considered abuse then too.
What if a local PoGo-playing graffiti artist creates a spectacular mural just for the sake of submitting it as a Pokestop? Also abuse?
If there was another reason than low-quality waypoints, they could mention that, or clarified it further why even old waypoints now qualified for removal and not grandfathering.
If Niantic don't know what to do in this case because they lack local knowledge, they could throw them back into voting and let the local community solve it. If they had doubt if the local community could pick it up, they could add an upgrade, so it will be decided by a bigger part of the country, not only the local community.
Or remove them, clarify what's needed to have them accepted, and let the community renominate them.
When Niantic do think the points are abusive and want to keep it into their own hands, just name it as is, and let specific ones be appealed and don't just ignore topics about them.
I know what you mean .... and now that those stops are gone, what does Niantic think wil happen? I think people will just submit them again and only because they don't know better. 99% of the playerbase doesn't know why they are gone and will absolutely see no problem to submit them. 99% of players don't ever come to this forum. And when I say people I don't mean the same people that submitted in the first place. Also others will and then that same tile that mas marked as abuse wil appear again and then you totally can't talk of abuse again. People will always wil try to find thing to submit.
Absolute coal popping up here in Belgium. (Gent)
POI inside a primary school of a sign that is for emergency gatherings. (With a picture that is sideways)
The question is: who is removing these mosaic tiles? Is it Niantic? Then I can somehow understand. They probably care more about creating a poi database than about the games.
But what if these are reported by players? That I cannot understand. Who benefits from removing poi's from the game? What kind of persons enjoy ruining the games for other people?
Ingress players will gladly get a portal removed if it's one that gets used by the other team a lot, or if it's the home portal of a player on the enemy team.
While several NL agents caused disputes between them in this forum, most of time they don't really care about Wayspots created through review abuse.
There are over a hundred removed in my city. I doubt a single person or small group is reporting all these tiles all over. It really sounds like someone at Niantic is going nuts over it but they refuse to answer us here...
You'd be surprised. It's crazy how openly hostile my local in-game Ingress chat is. Accusing people of removing home portals, accusing people of "playing with multiple accounts", etc.
The PoGo community is so much more chill than that.
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Marker to Utrecht central (not a Ingress portal)
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@NianticAaron something seem to be off a lot of new coal is getting accepted again.
Can it be that there is a group who make bots when there is a challenge going on?
We are already looking into it.
Are you also looking into our Mosaic Tiles over the city that were removed from the game??? All our community members worked hard to make and place these tiles. I'm noticing you just don't care about our community.
As expressed earlier, we stand by our decision to remove these Wayspots.
Aaron why do other wayfarer employees like tintino and Danbocat say they are eligible then?? A lot of those mosaic tiles look nice and now you are just angering hard working people who pretty up the neighbourhoods. Also not all mosaic tiles are created because of Pokémon go or have anything to do with it..
It's amazing how many things have been ruined by entitled individuals wreaking havoc on the wayspot map.
Why are the folks in this thread threatening Niantic not yet banned?
Seems like Wayfarer should be shut off entirely in the Netherlands for a while. This would be entirely in line with the severity of what these folks are doing.
@NianticAaron @NianThib @NianticTintino-ING
But then those bots just move to other countries. Also what’s fascinating is nobody is talking about Germany where the same abuse is going on.
No, because of YOU and the bots that the whole Netherlands got into this situation.
Also Benelux countries would get selected into current Wayfarer challenge if this mess never happened.
Lots of people are talking about exactly that.
Shut off your bots already.