Can I ask you a question?
Soraniakogarete-PGO
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Hello. I have a question and I use a translator. There is an altercation on Japanese social media about the eligibility of a bulletin/notice board attached to the outside wall of a private residence. Please let me know if it is eligible. Thank you very much.
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If it's attached to a private property, it's considered to be on the property boundary in most cases. If you can demonstrate that the property is for public access / use, then it may be eligible. Otherwise, it should be rejected, even if the information is for public consumption.
If it is attached to the outward facing fence of a private residential property, then Niantic is clear that it is not eligible.
Little off topic sorry, but are lfl that sit on top or attached to walls acceptable and murals painted on the outside of fences? I thought they were. Oops. And good question I was never aware of this and I guess I should have been.
If it exists on what is considered private property, then it's not eligible, unless you can prove the boundary of the property doesn't cover where the fence is located.
Never thought of the part of there fence actually being on private property only that it was on the outside not the inside. Very good point. So I am assuming off that info lfl on the fence, even though are for public use should not be accepted? Not arguing with you just looking for a yes or no so I will know how to vote in the future.
It will go down to whether it can be proven that the fence is public property or private property. There can never really be an absolute definitive answer. In the US, they rely heavily on GIS data to show what is public, commercial and private based on what the local government has defined. Something similar may exist in the UK and the rest of the world. If the person submitted the nomination can prove it's public, then it should be approved. If they cannot prove it's public, erring on the side of caution could be the wise thing to do.
Thanks for the reply. May I confirm this? Is it correct that if the nominator proves that the boundary line is drawn in the center of the outside wall and the outside wall surface is common space, then it is eligible, and if the nominator cannot prove the boundary line or the boundary line is drawn along the outside wall, then it is not eligible?
@Soraniakogarete-PGO I don't think reviewers are going to be willing to split hairs that precisely, and they're not likely to believe you if you make that assertion.
The area hidden in white in the photo should have a nameplate, although I assume it has been doctored for privacy. Therefore, this block fence is on the property of a private residence.
Such community bulletin boards attached to the fences or walls of private residences are sometimes seen in Japan. They are also sometimes used as PokéStops. Are these acceptable? I would like an answer directly from @NianticTintino-ING @NianticAaron.
It will be a tough sell. If it were me reviewing and the nomination appears on private property, I would reject it. Any boundary lines provided will need to be an official government recognised line. If it looks like private property, it may get treated as such.
As long as they are attached to/present on the property of a private residential property, they are ineligible.
@NianticAaron can you please edit this to include "single family"? I am having trouble locating the old phrasing "private, single-family residential property" anywhere to show people what is meant by prp ever since the help and criteria tabs have been rearranged and old ama responses removed. The only place it seems to mention single family now is in the rejection reason itself, and a lot of people don't read those past the heading:
Private Residence or Farm
Use for nominations that are on single family residences or private farmlands.
This will help to end the confusion surrounding this criteria in Japan.Thank you for your answer.
@ZiriaSkywalker-PGO can you note what @cyndiepooh-ING is stressing as additional clarification that private residential property in wayfarer refers to a single family house. So gated communities are fine, multi story blocks of flats are fine.
@cyndiepooh-ING @Elijustrying-ING
Thank you for your advice. I confirmed this point by reading last year's Criteria Challenge.
We should come here if we want to be sure about criteria. But many Japanese are not familiar with English. I also use a translator to participate. Therefore, when spoken language and proverbs are mixed, we cannot understand what is being said. We are also concerned about personal attacks and privacy by having our accounts revealed. For this reason, people in Japan tend to avoid community forums.
There is still a confusing situation in Japan. It seems that people have been deliberately creating mistranslations and spreading misunderstandings for quite some time in the past. There are also those who are still deliberately creating mistranslations and trying to deceive. This misunderstanding seems to have already spread, and the Wayfinders who were deceived are perplexed that their nominations and reviews were based on a misunderstanding. How can we help them?
@ZiriaSkywalker-PGO I won't pretend to understand the issues people have experienced with other public forums, but generally speaking people on this forum are generally welcoming and helpful. The moderating team on here are great at monitoring the forums and will deal with any issues. I hope the answers that were given have helped in some way.
For starter, Ambasaador @AgentMAenlight-ING who is from Japan can help with the mistranslation and misinformation.
The Wayfarer team's response, which is said to have been the basis for the survey, clearly states "Situational," so it depends on the object.
However, there was a Wayfinder in Japan who intentionally left this part out of the translation.
So, it should be clarified once again that it is "Situational" and not unconditionally qualified.
Also, this is an informal story that a friend of mine confirmed with the Wayfarer team staff in Kobe, but when asked about Information boards, he replied, "I think information boards are fine on college campuses and such, but information boards in apartment buildings and on the grounds (it is unclear what this clearly refers to) is a no-no, at least in the U.S.", "I'd like to reject such boards in Hong Kong as well."
I think this is exactly what the Wayfarer team meant when they said "Situational".
In Japan, information boards installed at regular intervals in the same city block are a particular problem.
In any case, the information posted on these boards is the same in the same neighborhood, so it is like a game of nervous breakdown.
So is this a point of interest? I always wonder.
Can you understand any difference, other than location information?
The only difference I can understand is that the paper on the right is on the left in some cases.
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=43.017931,144.343836&z=17&pll=43.017931,144.343836
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=43.018265,144.341871&z=17&pll=43.018265,144.341871
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=43.017043,144.342716&z=17&pll=43.017043,144.342716
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=43.018121,144.339699&z=17&pll=43.018121,144.339699
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=43.020278,144.331352&z=17&pll=43.020278,144.331352
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=43.021389,144.332162&z=17&pll=43.021389,144.332162
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=43.020585,144.333615&z=17&pll=43.020585,144.333615
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=43.019227,144.334209&z=17&pll=43.019227,144.334209
Also, some information boards have things with personal information on them.
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=34.508379,135.428717&z=17&pll=34.508379,135.428717
For example, in this wayspot, the information on the board clearly states that the individual's name was donated to the neighborhood association by a person whose family member had passed away. (It seems that there is a custom in this area to donate to the neighborhood association where the deceased was taken care of. But an individual's full name is the most personal information, isn't it?)
The Wayfarer staff would be able to understand this if they translated the nomination photo using Google Lens.
Given the numerous problems, we believe that the information board should be "Situational", and that it should be officially stated again that eligibility depends on the object and its location, and that some detailed eligibility/non-eligibility information should be provided.
@P1dg3ySlayer-PGO @patsufredo-PGO
Thank you for your advice.
@AgentMAenlight-ING
https://9db.jp/pokemongo/comment/5717317?s=1
This situation is happening here. They are still spreading a twisted translation of @NianticAaron's answer as "not ineligible on private residential property as long as it is a community notice board." I am also concerned that this deliberate mistranslation may not be to form a review ring, but to trap PGO trainers into suspending their accounts. Either way they must be stopped. Please save those who are being duped.
@tp235-ING
Hello, thank you for your previous assistance. I am sorry, but could you please start a new forum regarding the eligibility of the forum. This is where we discuss the issue of nominations and Wayspot on private residential property.
I understand this time around: discussions about NianticWayfarer's criterias should not take place outside of this place. I was surprised at how badly they led the discussion. Japanese people, discussion should be done in this place. Let's not argue in such a place where there is no one to guide us.
@NianticAaron, Sorry for the delay in thanking you. Thank you for your answers at a time when you are busy dealing with Netherlands and Belgium. I guided them to ask their questions about the criteria on Wayforum.