@MandaHaSyoteRym-PGO I don't get your point. As pointed out by @tp235-ING's post, AgentMAenlight's statement was to counter misinformation that was being spread about whether Wayspots were allowed on the borders of private residential properties. But rather than accept AgentMAenlight's relaying Niantic's policy and statements on the matter, and you come here complaining that AgentMAenlight is somehow wrong to counter such misinformation? Then you go on and pretend that countering misinformation is tantamount to censorship. I'm sorry, but when someone spreads misinformation in a community, it should be countered. Providing the actual facts of Niantic's policies and guidelines is not and never will be censorship.
That is the entire point, no one else thinks what the ambassador said was offensive or propaganda. We all agree with his statement.
Unless there is more to the conversation that you did post, no one is infringing upon anyone’s freedom of speech. In fact, it seems because you disagree with the ambassador, you are trying to discount his speech, which is a little hypocritical.
You began by saying that Japanese Ambassador Ambo's statement that a community notice board attached to the fence of a private residence was inadequate was unfair. Then you said that the community notice board attached to the wall of a private home was inadequate, which was pointed out to you by others as Mr. Ambo being right.
Next, you said that it was unfair to say that we should disavow Shisa and Ishigantou. But that is the way the discussion goes. You asked if a notice board on the fence of a private residence is not acceptable, are shisa and Isigantou, which are often placed on private residences as well, also ineligible, and Mr. Ambo stated that this is true.
You said that Mr. Ambo's original statement about private residences was misinterpreted by Japanese Wayfinders as including apartment complexes. Many Japanese Wayfinders are aware of the Criteria Challenge. They will not misunderstand. If you still have concerns, what you should have done is respectfully ask Mr. Ambo about the case of multi-family housing and you would have been answered accurately. Or you could have sent a rebuttal in a reply to X. Did you do either of those things?
Did you send a reply with X to Mr. Ambo with a question or rebuttal about the case of the apartment complex?
The Ambassador's post is "reject bulletin boards on the outside walls of private residences"(個人の住宅の外壁にある掲示板はリジェクトしてください). It does not say to reject bulletin boards that are close to private residences.
It's a good opportunity to learn the source of false rumors.
To summarize the ambassador's statement, it was, ``Please be careful as there are irresponsible statements and false information on X and anonymous bulletin boards.''
Tomorrow is the all-important Dokkola community day. It's a pain in the **** to wait for his response, so I'll paste the post in X that I believe is his and go to bed.
Please go ahead and translate it. You will see that this account is propagating false criterias. There are two main culprits who have created confusion in Japan about community notice boards attached to the walls and exterior walls of private homes, and this is one of them.
There is no doubt that this account is posting lies, but there are multiple people who spread the lies. So there is no proof that this is the OP's X account. To begin with, the ambassador posted his views on the 11th of this month, so this would not be a post against him.
So there is no need to pursue this post and we should only discuss the posts on this discussion. Whether there is anything to discuss is another matter.
This post itself is about a "reject man" who does not approve of bulletin boards on the walls of private homes, and has nothing to do with the ambassador.
They are spreading information on X and online message boards to give each other an advantage in reviews, which is causing confusion.
He seems to have thought that the ambassador's first statement meant that the ambassador was siding with the rejects.
English translation)Niantic said that community notice boards attached to the fence of private residences should be accepted. You should stop spreading lies to the community. Understand for yourself why you have been repeatedly banned for violations and reflect on that.
auntegoafa is correct, but I responded because you asked a question and I thought I should answer it.
Thank you for speaking calmly. I deliberately asked @MandaHaSyoteRym-PGO if he should have asked or refuted AgentMAenlight's call for attention to the hoax. In response, MandaHaSyoteRym stated that he had already refuted it but AgentMAenlight had not responded inconveniently. Actually, I asked that question because I had already read this post. This discussion was launched after this post.
I literally cannot follow any of this conversation. Nothing about the situation on Twitter or who said what makes any sense to me.
Here is what does make sense and I, for one, would like for all of this to end.
NIANTIC HAS SAID THAT ANYTHING POSTED ON THE OUTSIDE FENCE OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS INELIGIBLE.
The Japanese Wayfarer Ambassador (or anyone else) is CORRECT to pass along that information to everyone reviewing in Japan so that they review according to the correct guidelines.
Not only in this case, but the Wayfarer team should review everything about everything.
They are years behind in their measures.
For example, they finally started banning game accounts the other day, something that should have been done in 2020.
This should have been done in 2020, because many Wayfinders had warned the Wayfarer team about this.
If this had been done in 2020, there would be a lot less abuse in the world today.
And scammers will spread utter lies, as in this case, and they will deliberately get the translation wrong.
As I have pointed out before, this all started with the arbitrary removal of "situational" from the Japanese translation to make it appear that "all message boards are qualified".
This would not have happened if a ban had been imposed on Wayfinder for the mistranslation at this stage.
Also, the scammers try to bolster those lies by appealing to their closeness to those in power.
I submitted a report to the Wayfarer team a few months ago involving nominations and reviews by alt accounts in the help chat, in which scammers were uploaded to Twitter with smiling pictures of themselves rubbing shoulders with Wayfarer managers and others. I told them.
I warned the Wayfarer manager and his team that this kind of careless behavior would lead to this kind of thing.
But I have no way of knowing if they understand that.
However, the team members who remained un-layoffed seem to be less perceptive of the danger to wayspot, in contrast to the scammers who had previously tried to get Danbocat to acknowledge the eligibility requirements in the ineligibility and removal requirements on Twitter, and she saw the danger to them and avoided responding to them. The remaining team members who were not laid off seem to have less knowledge of WAYSPOT and less ability to recognize the dangers.
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それから。
Nianticの公認という看板を背負って発言する以上、その発言には責任が求められ、
"たかがゲーム"で済まされる範疇ではなくなると思います。
公の場で地位のある人から不適切な発言があれば問題視されるのはどの国でも同じです。
@MandaHaSyoteRym-PGO I don't get your point. As pointed out by @tp235-ING's post, AgentMAenlight's statement was to counter misinformation that was being spread about whether Wayspots were allowed on the borders of private residential properties. But rather than accept AgentMAenlight's relaying Niantic's policy and statements on the matter, and you come here complaining that AgentMAenlight is somehow wrong to counter such misinformation? Then you go on and pretend that countering misinformation is tantamount to censorship. I'm sorry, but when someone spreads misinformation in a community, it should be countered. Providing the actual facts of Niantic's policies and guidelines is not and never will be censorship.
That is the entire point, no one else thinks what the ambassador said was offensive or propaganda. We all agree with his statement.
Unless there is more to the conversation that you did post, no one is infringing upon anyone’s freedom of speech. In fact, it seems because you disagree with the ambassador, you are trying to discount his speech, which is a little hypocritical.
であれば「完全な一個人宅に付随する公共の掲示板は否認されるべきです。ただしこれにはマンションやアパートなどの集合住宅は含まれません。」という丁寧な一言にAaronのディスカッションを添えるだけで済みます。簡単なことです。
それを彼は「個人宅(意味深)に近い公共掲示板はリジェクトすべき」という乱暴な一言で済ませ、
それに留まらず「SNSで承認基準について語る人々は悪さを企てており、他人に申請や審査を代行させようとしていて、信用に値しない。議論に値しない。クソだ。」※意訳 というような発言をしており、議論の必要性まで否定している。
Niantic大使の戯言で審査が決定づけられるのであれば審査コミュニティは必要なくここでの議論にも意味はありません。
スタッフと大使でオフィスデスクを囲んで勝手に地図と睨めっこしていればいいのです。
@MandaHaSyoteRym-PGO
As long as you don’t unjustly attack the reputation of someone else and remain respectful you may state your views.
However I see no need for anyone to respond to them as there is nothing new to say on either side.
私もそう思います。
問題は彼がコミュニティの一部メンバーに悪意があるような決めつけをしていることです。
本当に悪意があるのであればSNSなどでなくここで嘘を垂れ流し、共謀してNianticを欺こうとするはずです。
彼の言う悪意とは個人の感想に過ぎず、それはNianticの看板を持ってして言うことではありませんでした。
彼が自身の個人アカウントで言ったことであれば私は問題にはしなかったでしょう。
@MandaHaSyoteRym-PGO
You began by saying that Japanese Ambassador Ambo's statement that a community notice board attached to the fence of a private residence was inadequate was unfair. Then you said that the community notice board attached to the wall of a private home was inadequate, which was pointed out to you by others as Mr. Ambo being right.
Next, you said that it was unfair to say that we should disavow Shisa and Ishigantou. But that is the way the discussion goes. You asked if a notice board on the fence of a private residence is not acceptable, are shisa and Isigantou, which are often placed on private residences as well, also ineligible, and Mr. Ambo stated that this is true.
You said that Mr. Ambo's original statement about private residences was misinterpreted by Japanese Wayfinders as including apartment complexes. Many Japanese Wayfinders are aware of the Criteria Challenge. They will not misunderstand. If you still have concerns, what you should have done is respectfully ask Mr. Ambo about the case of multi-family housing and you would have been answered accurately. Or you could have sent a rebuttal in a reply to X. Did you do either of those things?
Did you send a reply with X to Mr. Ambo with a question or rebuttal about the case of the apartment complex?
"Many Japanese Wayfinders are aware of the Criteria Challenge."
何を根拠に...？私は日本人ですが、残念ながら日本の審査員の大半は簡単な基準の読了と、個人の価値観のみで審査しているように感じます。そして、あなたの指摘が真実なら大使があのような発信をする必要はありませんよね。
"Did you send a reply with X to Mr. Ambo with a question or rebuttal about the case of the apartment complex?"
はい。個人情報な為詳しいリンクの提示は伏せますが、発言に対する誤解を防ぐべきということと公益性を持たせるべきとの指摘は行いました。
残念ながら、彼は都合の悪い返信は見ないようですがね。
私の発言を疑問に思うなら、なぜこの状況になっても彼がここに現れないのか、またこの問題に触れないのか考えてみてください。
そして一番確実な方法は、あなた自身のXアカウントで私の主張と同じ指摘をぶつけてみることです。
私は単に彼の発言だけを見てこのディスカッションを立ち上げたのではなく、彼の反論に対する態度や返信を行っている相手の属性などを見て総合的に"悪質だ"としています。
This is the only reply I can find that refutes Ambo's X post. Is this reply yours?
The Ambassador's post is "reject bulletin boards on the outside walls of private residences"(個人の住宅の外壁にある掲示板はリジェクトしてください). It does not say to reject bulletin boards that are close to private residences.
It's a good opportunity to learn the source of false rumors.
To summarize the ambassador's statement, it was, ``Please be careful as there are irresponsible statements and false information on X and anonymous bulletin boards.''
Original text:
Wayfarerで嘘の基準を流す人は責任をとらないでしょう。
多分、自分では申請せず他人に申請や承認をさせて、自分はリスクを負わない戦略です。
何なら、バンされた後も冷静に分析をせず、「通報マンがクソ」とか「通報者がナイアンティックを騙した」とか言って最後まで煽りに利用するでしょう。
Twitterもそうですが、匿名の掲示板などのネット上の発言や情報は注意して見たほうがいいです。責任とる気ない人が雑に発言してるだけです。
煽りや嘘の情報に時間を取られるのは、時間の無駄なので有意義なところに時間を使いましょう。
Tomorrow is the all-important Dokkola community day. It's a pain in the **** to wait for his response, so I'll paste the post in X that I believe is his and go to bed.
https://twitter.com/ej9fi/status/1707233779222446315
Please go ahead and translate it. You will see that this account is propagating false criterias. There are two main culprits who have created confusion in Japan about community notice boards attached to the walls and exterior walls of private homes, and this is one of them.
Here's the translation of that. TBH, I can't tell what they're trying to say even with the translation.
There is no doubt that this account is posting lies, but there are multiple people who spread the lies. So there is no proof that this is the OP's X account. To begin with, the ambassador posted his views on the 11th of this month, so this would not be a post against him.
So there is no need to pursue this post and we should only discuss the posts on this discussion. Whether there is anything to discuss is another matter.
This post itself is about a "reject man" who does not approve of bulletin boards on the walls of private homes, and has nothing to do with the ambassador.
They are spreading information on X and online message boards to give each other an advantage in reviews, which is causing confusion.
He seems to have thought that the ambassador's first statement meant that the ambassador was siding with the rejects.
@SeaprincessHNB-PGO
There are several coined terms, and I will try to turn them into easily understandable expressions.
個人宅の塀に取り付けられているコミュニティ掲示板は受け入れるべきとナイアンティックは述べた。コミュニティへ嘘を流布するのは止めるべきだ。なぜあなたが何度も違反行為としてBANを受けているのかを自ら理解し反省しなさい。
English translation)Niantic said that community notice boards attached to the fence of private residences should be accepted. You should stop spreading lies to the community. Understand for yourself why you have been repeatedly banned for violations and reflect on that.
auntegoafa is correct, but I responded because you asked a question and I thought I should answer it.
@auntergoafa-PGO
Thank you for speaking calmly. I deliberately asked @MandaHaSyoteRym-PGO if he should have asked or refuted AgentMAenlight's call for attention to the hoax. In response, MandaHaSyoteRym stated that he had already refuted it but AgentMAenlight had not responded inconveniently. Actually, I asked that question because I had already read this post. This discussion was launched after this post.
But you are right, I was wrong in my assumption based on this alone. We should proceed with the discussion based solely on what is said here.
I literally cannot follow any of this conversation. Nothing about the situation on Twitter or who said what makes any sense to me.
Here is what does make sense and I, for one, would like for all of this to end.
NIANTIC HAS SAID THAT ANYTHING POSTED ON THE OUTSIDE FENCE OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS INELIGIBLE.
The Japanese Wayfarer Ambassador (or anyone else) is CORRECT to pass along that information to everyone reviewing in Japan so that they review according to the correct guidelines.
All of this finger pointing needs to stop.
Not only in this case, but the Wayfarer team should review everything about everything.
They are years behind in their measures.
For example, they finally started banning game accounts the other day, something that should have been done in 2020.
This should have been done in 2020, because many Wayfinders had warned the Wayfarer team about this.
If this had been done in 2020, there would be a lot less abuse in the world today.
And scammers will spread utter lies, as in this case, and they will deliberately get the translation wrong.
As I have pointed out before, this all started with the arbitrary removal of "situational" from the Japanese translation to make it appear that "all message boards are qualified".
This would not have happened if a ban had been imposed on Wayfinder for the mistranslation at this stage.
Also, the scammers try to bolster those lies by appealing to their closeness to those in power.
I submitted a report to the Wayfarer team a few months ago involving nominations and reviews by alt accounts in the help chat, in which scammers were uploaded to Twitter with smiling pictures of themselves rubbing shoulders with Wayfarer managers and others. I told them.
I warned the Wayfarer manager and his team that this kind of careless behavior would lead to this kind of thing.
But I have no way of knowing if they understand that.
However, the team members who remained un-layoffed seem to be less perceptive of the danger to wayspot, in contrast to the scammers who had previously tried to get Danbocat to acknowledge the eligibility requirements in the ineligibility and removal requirements on Twitter, and she saw the danger to them and avoided responding to them. The remaining team members who were not laid off seem to have less knowledge of WAYSPOT and less ability to recognize the dangers.
残念だ。個人攻撃の応酬にならないようあえて大使以外の情報は伏せていたというのに。
そのアカウントは私のものではありません。またそのアカウントに限らず一般人のアカウントの情報をここで吊し上げてその会話の是非について非難するのは違反行為だ。
大使はあくまで"公用のアカウント"で発言しているからこのようにディスカッション化しているのです。
@NianticAaron お手数ですがここで標題と関係のない個人アカウントを晒し上げて個人攻撃しているメンバーに対応していただけますか？
Based on the contents of this discussion, I have closed it from further engagement.