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I Always thought café was the French spelling, and cafe was the English spelling.
I could be wrong though, I am from Yorkshire after all, where we drop our Hs, and shorten everything down t'get t'point.
To get back on topic, this is an example of a bar (that I frequent in NYC) and that I believe would be a slam dunk submission:
https://mcsorleysoldalehouse.nyc/history/
If I came across a bar/pub, I'd check their website and see if there is anything of value mentioned other than a beer list. McSorleys has a rich history steeped in tradition, evident from even a quick glance at the site.
I'd also be quick to recommend Vineyards for approval. These are more family-oriented and one does not typically overindulge while touring a Vineyard!
Generic dive bars, I would err on the side of rejection unless the submission can make a case that the establishment is more that just a place to drink at.
(I didnt read most of the earlier argument over semantics)
It is funny to me this thread got resurrected.
I'm just chiming in to add that when they get around to updating the guidelines, giving more information about "adult oriented" businesses is sorely needed. It creates a lot of confusion because many people think bars/pubs are rejects because they are "adult oriented " because of the alcohol.
We've gotten most of the clarification we need in bits and pieces, but it should really be included in the official guidelines.
@NianticCasey-ING please add this topic to the "List of Confusing Things" for the next major release.
I believe that Vineyards should be explicitly stated as eligible, and my interpretation of the spirit of the guidance is that the bar (pun intended) should be set such that the establishment is more than a basic, nondescript drinkery.
The Mcsorleys establishment linked above would likely make a great candidate; the neighborhood corner dive bar...not so much. My 2€.
Thanks!
A vineyard that is potentially a stop on a wine tour, yes. A vineyard that is essentially just a farm, no. We have both kinds around here.
Agree. Rows of grapes wouldn't be a POI, unless there is an info sign talking about the process of making wine.
The major POI would be the typically historical building that houses the major congregations.
In my judgment wine is...different than other types of alcohol.
I swear I've heard of mcsorleys and I've never been to New York.... was it the name of the bar in how I met your mother?
In Britain pubs and bars are usually quite easy to pass
It is not. I'd absolutely encourage checking it out if you ever visit NYC! The place is covered in history, with cited memorabilia showcasing all the historical figures who enjoyed a beer there!
What makes this establishment even cooler, is that they dont play any music. Much easier to have conversation, and after all, there were no jukeboxes when Abraham Lincoln was president! +1 to immersion.
They serve only two beers, dark and light, brewed by them, for them.
Look at the title of the matter, man:
"Pubs and Restaurants that serve alcohol (including mall food courts)".
I've never went to a bar that doesn't serve anything to eat, those are not common in Brazil. But you're clearly nitpicking about one word isolated. Bars and pubs are not automatically elegible. If we're going that way, acceptable =/= elegible.
So pubs that doesn't serve food can't be part of the "eateries", what about the rest of the phrase "or establishments that are popular tourist destinations." ? I think those pubs are stablishments as well.
Not all pubs are tourist destinations of any kind. What nearly all pubs are: "Popular spots where locals gather but are lesser-known outside the community." As such, given that they've clarified that bars and pubs serving alcohol do not fail under the 'adult services' rejection criterion, they meet acceptance criteria. Of course there can be a factor that makes them ineligible still (a stripe without the 'e' bar, for one example).
If this heading and bullet point meant what you people claim, it should be written more like this:
Pubs and Restaurants that serve alcohol (including mall food courts): Acceptable: Establishments that have been featured prominently in travel guides, those with historical or cultural significance, or those that are popular tourist destinations.
The sentence specifically referencing bars and pubs could be omitted entirely (thereby eliminating this debate), because the serving of alcohol is covered by the heading. This wording doesn't differentiate between pubs and restaurants, so then the three stipulations would apply to all the venues covered by the heading.
That is not how they have worded it, though. They've lumped together what are principally 'eateries' and 'drinkeries' and then there is a sentence for eateries (it even starts with that word) and another for drinkeries.
This thread seems pretty well answered. When reviewing places like this, i ask myself if this would be an acceptable place for kids to hang out.
Technically, if you're reviewing based on acceptable places for kids you are reviewing improperly. K-12 places are rejections.