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Could Niantic standardise K-12 vs Primary/Secondary please?
Rostwold-ING
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Here in the UK we have a lot of tertiary education colleges that teach 16-18 year olds. Wayfarer reviewers are instructed to reject these as K-12, but the rejection message received by the submitter does not say K-12, it says "Primary or Secondary". This is problem because these colleges are NOT primary or secondary, they are Tertiary!
Given that K-12 is often a confusing term for people outside America (we don't use the K system at all in the UK), could Niantic instead standardise the wording in Wayfarer and in rejection mails to say "18 year olds or younger"?
This would give clarity for international reviewers, for submitters, and for people getting rejections.
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NianticCasey-ING
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Hi folks,
Rounding out the additional questions in this thread:
- Tertiary schools: Ineligible as this services students who are in the K-12 age range (i.e. up to 18 years old). I also hear you on the confusing, US-centric wording and will work to have that updated. @Rostwold-ING
- Murals / graffiti on school grounds: Ineligible. Anything on school property is ineligible. @Hydraulinski-PGO
- Training academies / trade schools / etc.: These would be eligible so long as they 1. don't primarily service <18 year olds (like a Scout clubhouse) and 2. the Wayspot wouldn't interfere with emergency services (in the instance of a police or fire academy). @JAPAN81SayGo-ING
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As I understand it k12 refers to anything before University level which is usually for students age 18 and above.
in England out sixth form colleges would roughly be the equivalent of k11/k12 age and should still be rejected
Up to 18 years old, (Y13), so this includes sixth form. Colleges that allow enrolment at any age don’t just cater for K12 ages so are acceptable.
majority (probably around 90%) of the students will be under k12 age which is why they should be rejected
K-12 and Primary/Secondary are assumed to be the same thing.
Kindergarten to Grade 12 and Primary/Secondary, covers all In Parentis Locus years before College/University level. It doesn't matter if some people are over 18 in the school, because there is no "18+ only" schools. Likewise, there are students sub age 18 on College/University campuses too. The general case however is that there are some under age students in a K-12 / Primary-Secondary institution.
To use your example, the 'tertiary' schools you're referring to are not College/University if they are only 16-18 but would be if they do more than just complete sixth form schooling.
Don't overcomplicate it with rules lawyering. Anything below College/University is out.
Hi folks,
Good question, and many people here have gotten it correct: any school below college/university level is considered ineligible.
Thanks to @Perringaiden-ING, @YouLostAStar-ING and @TheAuraStorm-ING for chiming in!
Just so we have 100% clarification I read that as U.K. sixth form colleges which are mainly for 17-18 year olds (equivalent to American k11/12) is ineligible? Just making sure there is no possible space for ambiguity
Well... At Mexico is "Preparatoria". Between secondary and university (16-18 years). The problem is, I saw a lot of "Preparatoria" wayspots accepted. And when I review as ineligible (1*), others review with 5* and then... what can I do? The wayspots I review are some different places, not only my city. People read: "Primaria, secundaria" and think: Oh! Whe can accept "Preparatoria" because isn't secondary or primary :/
@Seklai-PGO Report them, they will go away in most cases.
We're all agreed that they are not eligible, but that's not the problem! The problem is that the rejection reason given in emails doesn't match the rejection policy, so people are resubmitting things.
This would be very easy to fix, just be consistent and say "18 or under" instead of the current mixture of K-12 (meaningless in most countries) and "Primary/Secondary" (which doesn't accurately reflect the policy).
@Podolsky88-ING What happen with those they are not in my city but I see while review? Can I report them?
Like @Rostwold-ING said, maybe changing the rejection reason, wayfarers won't aprove more of this 🤔
(English isn't my main language @.@)
Are the students considered adults or children in their country? I think that should be the determining factor.
A good rule of thumb I use is if the school/care center is for minors then it should be rejected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_(law)
@NianticCasey-ING Can you updated wizards unite nests to remove nest flags from k-12 schools? This might help with why schools are still being submitted.
There's a big difference between Sixth-Form Colleges where around 70% of the students will be 16-17 and Further Education Colleges where they vary significantly, but will frequently be 70% 18+ Specialist Land-based colleges also tend to swing heavily towards 'adults'.
Community Colleges are acceptable. K-12 is clear guidiance from Casey. It is a rejection.
@Gabriel0322-PGO HWPU uses the POI database from Niantic, but most of the game itself is handled by WB Games in San Fran. You might have better luck contacting them about issues with Flags on K-12 schools.
@GearGlider-PGO Niantic's database niantic can edit and remove school submissions.
So many people are not understanding the question, including @NianticCasey-ING :-(
I am NOT asking if they are acceptable or not. The rules are clear to reviewers, they are not allowed.
I''m asking Niantic to make the rejection mails match the reviewing criteria, and to use language that is clearer to people outside the USA. The problem is that people outside the US usually don't know what K-12 means, so they submit Tertiary education PoIs. Then they get an email rejecting them for being Primary/Secondary, so they resubmit saying 'this is not primary/secondary'.
Agreed, I've spoke to a lot of people outside America that dont know what K-12 means, some assume 12 years old as they don't have the same grade system. Several sixth forms have been in game long before wayfarer where I live so more keep getting sumbitted. Need to replace k-12 with "under 18s" in all criteria and emails for clarity outside the US.
I think the use of the words k12 is what’s confusing since it’s not the same system in every country, but every country understands university level so maybe the better wording would be along the lines of “reject any education building below university level (American Colleges)”
@NianticCasey-ING what never were clear for me was this rule about graffiti and arts on the school walls. This is something really common were I live, and almost all schools have art murals on its exterior walls, usually done by the students themselves.
I had some reported and successfully removed, but most of them remain.
@Hydraulinski-PGO It is clear. Is it on school grounds? If it is on school grounds it is a rejection.
In the Illegible Criteria Section of Wayfarer Help:
Nominations whose real-world location appears to be on the grounds of primary/secondary schools, child care centers, or daycare centers
https://d2duuy9yo5pldo.cloudfront.net/niantic/48963179-0910-4bf5-b9b8-ef2e1dd98b25-t.png
Even the School bell is not allowed. Athletic fields on schools are not allowed. It was all discussed last year intensively. Anything on school grounds is a rejection.
Sidewalks around the perimeter of the school are also considered still on school grounds.
公安職公務員養成学校や職業能力開発校と言った養成校は教育機関として許容されますか？
@JAPAN81SayGo-ING My Japanese is not the greatest, but police training shools are not k-12. If that is what all of your question was about.
Translation.
Are training schools such as public security public servant training schools and vocational development schools acceptable as educational institutions?
@Gabriel0322-PGO thats more along the lines of a call to service training center like a recruiting center for the military and have seen that in malls and etc. In my opinion those aren’t K-12.
Agreed.
It would depend on the age of the students. If they are 18 years old or younger, then you should reject as K12, if not then you should review as usual.
@Rostwold-ING Where have you seen police academies that are under the age of 18?