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Politically Related Nominations
WillowWinters-PGO
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I'm not talking about political headquarters and such, but mainly statues and monuments that espouse a certain controversial political belief.
The thing I have had direct trouble with is shines/memorial statues to aborted "children." I am in great conflict about these, because if they were to almost anything else I would 5* them. I don't feel like these type of POIs belong in the game, however. They can be triggering, if nothing else.
It's along the lines of the Confederate statues. Should POC have to vote on the merit of those when there is no "appropriateness" category? You (Niantic) are removing them from the game, so clearly you don't think something so politically charged should remain in the games, so what about other issues?
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I really doubt Niantic is going around removing Confederate Statues. But if you have any proof that they are I would love to be proven wrong....so I can properly praise Niantic for removing the prejudicial waypoints that have no reason to exist.
Statues and memorials are almost always referring to culture and/or history. I rate them with high marks and if you really really want to bring politics into the game, visit them and submit fitting descriptions for them, highlighting the good and the bad of what happened. In the case of this memorial to aborted children, I would rate them high as it's obviously an important issue for those locals. Your opinion shouldn't be relevant.
Also, I would not welcome an "Appropriateness" star rating. Who gets to decide what is "appropriate"?
It sounds like a pitfall Niantic may not want to fall into. For instance, religions can be controversial and I'm sure the view of a chapel can be upsetting to some, for instance someone who got kicked out of their home by bigoted parents because of their orientation and has to rebuild their life from homelessness. Yet is it a reason to blanket ban all religious nominations?
Nomination aren't endorsement of any particular opinion, merely a reflection of what exists in the world and what people (reviewers) find relevant to show. If Niantic starts to arbiter over such and such topic, they're at risk to have to make a morale call on pretty much everything and there's no winning for them here as far as I can tell.
But maybe they want to dip their feet there? I can't speak for them of course.
I do not have proof, all that I know is that buildings relating to the Confederacy and plaques and statues are disappearing as waypoints in my area.
You are right, but I don't believe these Confederate reminders are suddenly getting pulled by reviewers. And what about reviewers today? Are they going to vote in a beautiful statue of Jefferson Davis? Should they?
The operative phrase I found in your post was "what reviewers find relevant to show." That's the part I think I'm having the most trouble with reconciling with.
I cant speak for america, but here in UK, beliefs and political thoughts dont matter for pois, Muslim, hindu, protestant, catholic, confucianism, they are all accepted as they are pois. As for politics, while people are arguing for pulling g down statues, no one is saying to remove them as pois (unless they get pulled down) and that's for people who were slavers or used slaves, history is accepted, not ignored
Political viewpoints shouldn't matter when it comes to what should be a Wayspot. If someone doesn't like a statue or monument and think it is offensive, then they should partition their local government to have it remove. But reviewers shouldn't be rejecting nominations based on political viewpoint nor should they be requesting removal of same objects from the Wayfarer Network.
Memorial are only valid if for a significant person. Pretty sure these "memorials" for zygotes don't meet that criteria.
I also reject things such as the creation museum. You can call it different political views if you want. I call it a blatant disregard for reality and a lie. This **** shouldn't be in the portal network.
If you don't like them, report them to Niantic and let them decide. Wayfarer does not and should not make political decisions.
Well, I think everyone is being cordial so far but I didn't realize this question would sow quite so much discord. Everyone is free to continue to discuss, but I guess what I'm going to take away from this is: you have to try to put everything poltical aside as possible, but after that you have to go with your own conscience.
What is a creation museum?
While many don't agree with the "message" behind the museum, it is a local attraction and qualifies under the criteria.
P.S. There are multiple Wayspots throughout that museum.
Tipical baseless rant. Going around making accusations with 0 proof. Like I said id love to be proved wrong.
Is it still educational if it's untrue?
If by education is by education people about a religious belief, then yes. But the museum also fits the local attraction criteria of tourist spots that showcase local flavor and culture and make the city/neighborhood unique.
Hi folks,
I've closed this thread because it seems as though the comments are starting to veer off course from being a productive discussion and into disrespectful territory.