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Objects before a school
Garfieldfreakje-ING
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So here in my town i nominated a stop that now got rejected because it is on primary school but it isn't on primary school because it is clearly standing outside the school what i mentioned in my text
Should i nominate it again or is it a waste of nomination
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If it's not on the property boundary resubmit it with a clear supporting photo showing it's not on the school property. Share the submission and people might be able to offer further advice.
i wouldnt mention it in the text, that it is outside of a school. do not give people ideas.
if you can see that clearly on maps, then it is okay.
Lets see your submission photo and your supporting photo. It depends what your sub was and how close it is to the school
It is pretty clear to me
This is (at least in the Netherlands and Belgium) considered a mass produced traffic sign. They are often present near elementary schools to attend drivers on the increased pedestrian traffic and are as common as 'stop' signs.
There is absolutely nothing special about these, and should never be submitted. It is not a "reflection pillar".
Example of a city in Belgium who equipped every elementary school with these traffic signs:
(translation: City of Ninove has started with the installation of Octopus street furniture at all elementary schools. With the well-known Octopus totems, brackets and poles, the city wants to increase safety in school environments.)
It's also the mascotte of a traffic lesson plan for young children: http://www.abimo.net/educatieve_uitgaven/index.php?doelgroep=lagereschool&ct=21&pg=detail&rid=674
Yes but this is the only school in my town and i can't see why there are in a city stops like these and here not
With the extra background information provided, it also sounds like it's entirely school related. In addition to being literally right next to the school (I think? Is the school the brick building directly next to it?). It might be on school property. In the US, I would consider that to be school property, but I'm not sure if it's different in your country.
And as for why they are in other cities- just because something got accepted at some point doesn't mean it should have.
It might be decorative, but if it's a mass-produced sign it's ineligible (see the decorative bollards in the help guide).
Another issue to note is you've made game specific references in the description which isn't permitted.
While it is accepted practice to apply some leniency to POI-sparse areas, candidates that are ineligible remain just that, and won't be accepted. Even if it's the only school in town.
The reason why you see POI's like this in other cities is that sometimes they DO get accepted, depending on the reviewing public I guess. Also, those POI's could be very old and the guidelines may have been different or not so well explained as today. There are ineligible wayspots all over the place. Yesterday I saw an elementary school as a Wayspot. The school itself.
Okay mass produced but what do you mean with the second thing game specific references
The text you see is not what i put at the pokestop but is the supporting text
I was always under the impression that the schools ended at the gates, the pavement outside was public BUT the school might need to look after it in the sense of hiring people to cross the roads etc.
That looks line the supporting info rathe than the description
@NianticCasey-ING
When it comes to PRP, Niantic has explicitly stated that we are NOT to accept POIs that are in equally "directly attached" bits of land, ie "boulevard" "sidewalk" "right of way".
But all the nitpicky rules-lawyerly types are insistent on bringing up this same issue, over and over, and over and over, and over again. "But THIS one isn't PRP, and you Niantic guys didn't say anything about non-PRP locations, so THIS one must be allowed!"
This is a K12 school, and the POI is in the equivalent "right of way" area. Evidently your position needs to be publicly clarified.
If that's supporting text rather than description (your screenshot cuts off the top) the game reference is allowed,it's just irrelevant and doesn't support the nomination.
It's pretty clear to me too ! 1* - mass produced - next !
You mention Tentacools. That will pull anyone out of the game that is playing Ingress or Harry Potter.
I didn't think that places just outside the school building could be wayspots. I've always looked at schools as though they encompass the entire area around them, including playgrounds or athletic fields. I would give this 1* because of that.
Surely looks like it's on school property to me. In America, property lines usually go to the center of the road if you want to get technical. It may be in the "right of way" but it's still part of the school grounds.
To the others in this thread saying it's mass produced, I think that might only be true in your country. This kind of thing definitely does NOT look mass produced to me. I would personally give this thing 5-stars if it was in a park in America or Japan. But this particular nomination would get the K12 1-star from me unfortunately.
Was there not a rule waystops were not to be withing 40 meters (120 feet) of a school? It seems obvious to me that we do not want our children playing the games during class time, and 40 meters puts a waystop out of range.
No such rule exists.
Regarding the rule about K-12 school grounds, the concern from Niantic is not children playing games on their phones (let's leave classroom management up to the teachers and if my high schoolers want to catch pokemon while at lunch, more power to them) but rather the potential security issues of having adults wander onto school property with no business being there.
But yes, the rule is "reject if on the grounds of" not "reject if within 40m of property boundary".
That's not entirely true. Athletic fields that arent attached tot he school but are close to it are still on, those ones tend to be for public use but also used by the school. Its primary use will be for the locals, that's just an example though.
In that case i am walking all the time on school property it is the same as you say that the footpath before your door is your property
Yes i mentioned tentacools inthe supporting text but that is the supporting text so that would not be a good reason to rule a stop out if it was on the real title or description yes
I don't know what part of the USA you are in, but as far as my experience goes that is not true... property lines most always do not extend into public roads and, depending on the city, your property may or may not even include the sidewalk, or in other cases the city may have rights-of-way or easements that extend some feet from the edge of the pavement. Look at any county's property assessor map, or (in many places) even Google Maps to see what I mean.
In terms of this nomination specifically, it sounds like this is something specifically related to the school- basically alerting drivers to be cautious because it's a school here, and is apt to have kids walking around. If this was something else, not at all related to the school, I think it would stand a better chance of acceptance. But it kind of just sounds like a more creative version of a "Careful, children crossing" sign.
Again, if it was something like a nice, non school related mural, or a little free library... it might make sense to approve it. But really the only reason it exists is because there is a school RIGHT there, literally a few feet away. I agree the school property guidelines are a little murky, since it's on the sidewalk.
In Michigan, that's how it works. Somebody has to own every square inch of land, and it's not the city or county. The property lines all go to the center of the road. I've owned 5 different places in Michigan and all of the deeds were as such.