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Nianticcasey's response yesterday. For Community Notice Boards and Noticeboards in a Supermarket.
NianticCasey-ING Posts: 35 admin March 25 Accepted Answer
Hey folks, I'm in agreement with @AdamSkot-PGO@adetia9-PGO here. Freestanding, outdoor community notice boards seem to me to fall within the 'community gathering' criteria, but a noticeboard within a supermarket doesn't seem to be as notable a location for gathering or distinguishable from the rest of the market.
I do see what @grendelwulf-ING is saying in that POIs should be unique and interesting, but agree with @Theisman-ING that not everything is interesting to everyone. We shouldn't be reviewing as if we were writing a vacation guide 😉
@oscarc1-ING many point eaa trying to say the quality has dropped because of pogo submitters is absurd, ingress players were doing it from the start, even as the guidelines came into place, so blaming it all on pogo is very elitest. Hell, can you claim every low quality poi was submitted by a pogo player and approved by the pogo players? Of course you cant. On top of that, I get if you checked the percentage if "low quality" pois that got accepted before pogo was allowed and after I bet the percentage would bd roughly the same, just the volume increased
As for the edits, yes some will try to game the system, but several edits are also due to ingress players putting them in the wrong place too. And as for mallicuoisly making edits, in some casee its blatantly obvious, I will admit but in other cases moving a few meters to help out the pogo game is not malicious (and before you ask no, I have not admitted to get an extra stop in the game, I've only submitted edits where things were clearly in the wrong place) it's trying to get an extra stop, whereas I've read stories, several of them, about ingress players moving portals or rejecting portals so that they could control areas, THAT is malicious, that's a big difference between what pogo players do and what ingress players did, which one sounds worse?
I am going to share this because the last line is what people are forgetting. Casey said it yesterday.
NianticCasey-ING Posts: 35 admin March 25 Accepted Answer
Hey folks, I'm in agreement with @AdamSkot-PGO@adetia9-PGO here. Freestanding, outdoor community notice boards seem to me to fall within the 'community gathering' criteria, but a noticeboard within a supermarket doesn't seem to be as notable a location for gathering or distinguishable from the rest of the market.
I do see what @grendelwulf-ING is saying in that POIs should be unique and interesting, but agree with @Theisman-ING that not everything is interesting to everyone. We shouldn't be reviewing as if we were writing a vacation guide 😉
False equivalency. You cannot use Casey's statement as justification that any public works business is eligible. You should know better than that.
How is it false? Please explain than. How is "We shouldn't be reviewing as if we were writing a vacation guide" Not a fair and valid statement?
You're serious?
"We shouldn't be reviewing as if we were writing a vacation guide" is not a blanket approval for everything. A public works business still needs to meet some criteria. Many of them are eligible, not all.
They meet the guidance that a community notice board meets. Information provided to the community.
My post didn't say anything about vacationing.
@Dice976jr-ING you seem to have posted in the wrong thread. Hopefully you aren't trying to derail the conversation. Though it must get confusing switching between accounts all the time, so it;s understandable why you'd post in the wrong thread.
Hi folks,
Unless specifically noted, most government buildings are not eligible (including the DMV, and other "departments of...") for the same reason that we don't really accept generic businesses–they're not really gathering places or unique points of interest, like @oscarc1-ING and @JSteve0-ING called out.
Unlike city halls or courthouses (which can be tourist destinations, locations with unique architecture or places to gather) or libraries (sometimes architecturally unique but always centers for information), an administration building by itself wouldn't be high quality location.
Wastewater Treatment is categorized as an Industrial Building under Wayfarer, not Government Building, so still eligible. Police Station and Fire Station are listed under the Government Building category in Wayfarer, so they're eligible, so long as the GPS locations don't hinder emergency services.
In fact, here are all the listings under the Government Building category: Capitol, City Hall, Consulate, Courthouse, Embassy, Fire Station, Jail, Other, Palace, Parliament, Police Station, Post Office, Prison, Public Library, Recreation Center.
According to that list, Municipal Court would be categorized as Courthouse (so fully eligible), and Public Works department could easily fit into the Other category.
Speaking of which, the Other category is important, because there are all sorts of government buildings that do not fit into the other categorizations listed above. So DMVs or the like, immigration offices, revenue agencies, and other government department buildings would fit into this category.
You want wastewater treatment plants to be eligible? Never thought we'd have multiple people arguing that poop should be portals.
The "What is it?" is not the eligibility criteria. Not only is what you just said wrong, it is the complete opposite of what @NianticCasey-ING posted earlier.
Then what's the point of having those categories in the voting process to begin with? If something doesn't fit nicely into one of the "What is it?" categories listed in the voting process, then shouldn't it be rejected as a nomination, and concordantly, if it is on said list, shouldn't it be accepted as a nomination? I'm not saying that it's "The" criteria, but it should certainly be "a" criteria. Also, from what I can tell, whenever I see "any" government building IRL, they sure look like they're a unique POI, especially given where they're usually located (within their own building, and/or distinctly separated from other adjacent locations). Many of the post offices accepted lately have been ones located within pharmacies, but there's signage to differentiate the post office from the rest of the pharmacy they're in.
Ninatic hasn't really explained the "What is it?" categorization, but it is clear that it isn't the eligibility criteria. They could be using it to determine if people are accepting things that should be rejected.But you can find the actual eligibility criteria here.
It's been hinted that Niantic is looking at monetizing their POI database in ways that go beyond their games. Maybe they are wanting to add categories to further this end?
Well that seems rather annoying.
"What is it" has laughable things listed under it. It should be updated, but in the meantime it is not eligible criteria.
The waste basket one is actually useful though. Some places have special painted waste bins similar to painted utility boxes, so that works for those.
No. A waste basket is never eligible. A mural or other artwork attached to a waste basket may still be an eligible candidate, but that would be artwork not a waste basket.
@Gendgi that's not true, I've seen several waste baskets in as they were shaped like animals and were a very limited set in the city they were in, so it would cover for them. To be exact, they were metallic ones created by a local metal worker
No, no, no.
The "what is it?" categories do not mean eligibility. If that was the case, I could go submit the fire station, the police station, the coast guard, etc. in my town.
Besides, would you really want to see somewhere like Inland Revenue offices or DVLA or the local Job Centre Plus as a wayspot?
Yes, yes I would.
@NianticCasey-ING Department of Parks and Recs and Department of Natural Resources are not allowed? How does it make sense that parks are allowed and not the department that governs them?
Government offices that don't meet criteria, have no historic/cultural value, and aren't somewhere you'd take someone that's the visiting the area are things you want to see as wayspots? Smh.
Yes. To sign up for recreation sports and to get hunting/fishing permits to use at the parks.
It makes perfect sense.
Parks are somewhere people go to for a walk or to socialise. Government buildings are not. As he stated, if they don't meet the historic value or have cool architecture, they aren't acceptable.
If they were operating from say a building that had been owned by a noble family, then yeah, the building itself would be acceptable, but not the offices themselves.
Vacationers can't hunt or fish without a license. Same with the athletic fields in parks, they can't be used unless they have permission to use those fields. You get them from DNR and DPR, hence why they should be eligible.
Somewhere that you fill out paperwork isn't somewhere that meets criteria.
If that was the case, banks, medical institutions, and so on would be eligible submissions, but they're not because many of them just don't meet the criteria set out by Niantic.