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Trail markers that look like street signs
gazzas89-ING
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So to me, trail markers that are street signs but not actually on a street should be accepted, but I've seen people argue both for and against this. My argument though is that in britain, a lot of trail markers are street signs even when on the trail itself, I had this rejected even though I linked the actual trails webpage to prove the trail exists.
So could @NianticCasey-ING please chime in and say definitively of street sign trail markers are ok or not
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As a side note this also got poor photo quality but I'm choosing to ignore that one as the picture is fine
I would accept that ats "trail maker" as it's not on a street.
Wish others would agree, this is the 4th time rejected. It's why i need niantic to chime in
Disc type trail markers regularly get wrongly rejected too... There seems to be a lot of reviewers either ignorant of the criteria, or who just don't like trail markers.
As long as they are a real (not fake) trail marker with the name of the trail on it then they should pass the "Is it a named trail marker?" test. The problem is we see 100s and 100s of "Public Footpath" and "Public Bridleway" circular disc markers submitted as POIs, none of which include a trail name and none of which qualify as a trail marker.
Honestly my hope is that trail markers can be put forward for the ama 5, they come up far too often
That's the the theory, but recently I've had a 50% rejection rate under 'does not meet the criteria' for disc markers with trail names (long distance trail that's also marked on google maps).
I think a major issue is cultural differences as to what a trail actually is so any ruling needs to take that into account. I like to go back to fundamentals that should be about being active and exploring.
I don’t think what a trail marker is made of should matter, nor should it matter where it is.
Some look like “street signs” simply because they are made of metal. It’s nonsense that material should be the major influence.
Why should it be acceptable to have a whole trail rejected simply because it is an urban trail and all the signs are on a street as a result. City dwellers need to get out, follow trails and explore just as much as visiting a rural area. As a result of COVID 19 many are having to walk within local area.
Another point that I think is unnecessary is the requirement for “named” trail. If the trail is distinctive and happens to only have a number rather than name then surely that should be fine. The point is that giving it a name or a number means it is a recognise distinctive route. So a sign might say Trans Pennine Trail, TPT, NCN62 or 62 all of which mean the same thing and have different degrees of acceptance.
What I do look for is something that makes a particular trail marker distinctive from others. In other words the more info on it the more distinctive it becomes. So if it has where it is going to and the distance then it would score higher overall as that post could only be at that spot.
So applying all that I wouldn’t reject yours but I wouldn’t rate it that highly. It’s a trail, it’s showing a distinct point as it’s a change of direction, but it’s not very distinctive in terms of information.
I have similar nominations in the system and I know that they are on the cusp of whether they will make it through.
There is a very long, very wonderful series of walking/bicycling trails spanning thousands of kms. Its only signage resembles "street signs", with just minor variations on this (the ones in my city lack the "Great Lakes" moniker on the signs):
Many of the signs in my city are already in-game, including some that are in parks. And there are quite a few along the urban routes, although some of those would not be acceptable if they were "new" submissions due to the easement-equals-PRP issues that were since clarified.
Except for some few spots where the route is bicycle-only due to the lack of sidewalks, any of those signs are legitimately "trail markers".
https://greatlakes.guide/about/great-lakes-waterfront-trail?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqoyh76nK6wIViIjICh3XkwloEAAYASAAEgJu_vD_BwE
They are acceptable. You just need to be lucky about who review your nomination
That was the 4th or 5th rejection
Make sure to tell everyone on your local facebook/discord group that those are accepted and give a link to Niantic's guide.
Also do that in additional information
Photo is okay but don't give excuses to use that criteria. Get right up close.
Also your description isn't helping - you're wasting words by repeating the title and not telling us anything about the history. I'd go with "13 mile trail from Clachan of Clampsie to Bishopsbriggs after political reformer Thomas Muir of Huntershill (1765-1799) deported to Botany Bay"