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Suburb Entrances: Eligible or No?
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Gabriel0322-PGO Posts: 511 ✭✭✭ March 30 edited March 30
grsmhiker-INGMar 30, 2020
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/3129#Comment_3129
This thread has nothing to do with community entrance areas; the statue in the first post is on private property but visible from a public sidewalk. That's a whole different issue.
Actually it appears to be a community entrance. No satellite view of the area in question was provided. Only a picture of the object itself. So it could be at the entrance of a community which is public property people mistake entrances to community as private property. Clarification on this area needs to occur because their is no guidance for Pokémon Go players on it. (Previous guidance was in Candidate action guide in OPR that was available to ingress players only.)
Gabriel0322-PGO Posts: 511 ✭✭✭ March 30
GendgiMar 30, 2020
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/3217#Comment_3217
Here in Colombia a lot of people place religious imagery in their property that's meant to be visible from the sidewalk.
The first post literally explains that it is on private property and not a community entrance.
Clarification has been made many times and is available to everyone, not just the the Ingress community.
I am aware. But the location doesn't change I am talking about for clarification. Some people assume the first property of a community is owned by the first resident. But the first location of the community is owned by the community. It is where community signs and other decorative things for the community exists. This area needs to be defined by Niantic so that all players are made aware these areas are X by Niantic and deemed eligible/ineligible by Niantic.
Gabriel0322-PGO Posts: 511 ✭✭✭ March 30
GendgiMar 30, 2020
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/3221#Comment_3221
As stated earlier, this thread has nothing to do with a community entrance. This was specifically about something on private property that could be viewed from the sidewalk.
People are allowed to ask additional questions to the same topic. Discussion is on Private residential property. A clarification to explain what private residential property is for community's is very important. As these areas suggested are public property that are assumed as private residential property.
NianticCasey-ING Posts: 48Niantic › admin March 30
Hi folks,
Let's keep things respectful please! As I previously mentioned, private residential property is 100% ineligible. The entrance to a private community (i.e. a gated community or something similar) is different in that it's not necessarily owned by an individual. That being said, you can still violate local laws if you attempt to access the Wayspot.
In this case, I would say that something like this would be acceptable, if its accessible without entering a restricted area, is uniquely decorated, or is an otherwise a notable monument.
Gabriel0322-PGO Posts: 511 ✭✭✭ March 30
TheFarix-PGOMar 30, 2020
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/3272#Comment_3272
I don't know how gated communities got involved in this discussion since the question asked was about shrines on fences that surround private residential property (re. single-family residence). I think it was entirely the TC sockpuppet trying to drive the thread completely off topic for their own agenda.
It wasn't just for gated communities. It was suggested for all residential communities that have unique entrances and structures. Because those entrances are public area to a community not private area to an individual. Yes at a gated community you can break laws for loitering/trespassing which was implied by casey. But entrances are still allowed to have people at it as a public community gathering place.
Wayspot can be approved if you can access without being in a restricted location to the community and is uniquely decorated or is a notable monument.
Wow 8 comments in a row might even be a record for you.....
Anyways back on topic.
Per @NianticCasey-ING
"Hi folks,
Let's keep things respectful please! As I previously mentioned, private residential property is 100% ineligible. The entrance to a private community (i.e. a gated community or something similar) is different in that it's not necessarily owned by an individual. That being said, you can still violate local laws if you attempt to access the Wayspot.
In this case, I would say that something like this would be acceptable, if its accessible without entering a restricted area, is uniquely decorated, or is an otherwise a notable monument."
@Gabriel0322-PGO Please see exact highlighted portion. This is what is called a clarifying statement, its used to validate what proceeded it. So a neighborhood entrance sign MUST be accessible without going into a restricted area. Must either be uniquely decorated or a Notable monument. If its not either of those then its not eligible.
Did you even click on the link provided as support to Nianticcasey for community entrances? No I bet not....
Original Post on Shrines...
Gabriel0322-PGO Posts: 521 ✭✭✭ March 24
This looks more like an initial entrance display for a community that was designed to be there. The art on the statue is allowed and often done to preserve and refresh the appearance of the statues due to the natural weather elements for being constantly outside. The statue still is likely to remain for the foreseeable future. It would be a Painted Statue either way. Wear and tear on the concrete walls suggests it has been there a long time and will be there a long time. Entrances to communities are technically public property to the community. A satellite view is needed to decide as based on the appearance it should be in satellite view to confirm the location.
"Please be sure to closely review nominations whose real-world location appears to be within 40 meters of private, single-family residential property, and nominations whose real-world location appears to be in a neighborhood park. To be clear, nominations should be rejected if their real-world location appears to be on private, single-family residential property or might encourage people to go onto private property (e.g., because the real-world location is at the end of a private driveway)."
Measure from the end of the driveway to the submission, it's most likely eligible to be a wayspot.
Here is some good information on entrance signs and wayfinding signs. https://www.siteessentialscompany.com/signage-improves-communities/
He didn't skip a whole thread though. If anything, it's you that is appearing to be skipping whole threads, as you're cherry picking or misinterpreting whatever is said to suit your argument at the time
I have read every thread on the guideline clarification. Nothing in that thread changes what NianticCasey said. I am going based off what they exactly said not based off your question. Just because you posted a question and it was answered differently than you asked doesnt make NianticCasey's comment any less valid.
So for the 1000th time on this new forum, please stop trying to twist guidelines for your benefit. You are more than welcome to submit these things if you wish but don't whine when they are denied.
@Dice976jr-ING Actually I am keeping it on topic. By representing a quote exactly how it was meant. Instead half of the 45 comments on this thread are from you.
The point of the post was asking if town signs or subdivision(neighborhood) signs were eligible. Yes they are eligible, if they are safely accessible, accessible without entering a restricted area, AND if they are either a notable monument or uniquely decorated.
@AgentB0ss-ING You hit the nail on the head there.
I've posted two examples of signs I've subbed that been approved further up in the thread, because they're accessible, and uniquely decorative.
I just don't get why Dice/Gabriel is cherry picking what @NianticCasey-ING is saying in order to justify his arguments
The forums are here for everyone to put their opinions, thoughts, and so on across.
Forums are for discussion, and exchanging ideas. No point in the forums if we can't discuss or exchange ideas.
Once again, you're generalising, making out all ingress players are the bad guys, which does nothing but add fuel to the fire of the Ingress v PoGo drama.
We're not expecting people to know how to review immediately, and I'm more than happy to help people out.
But that's the thing, I'm not. You're busy arguing for the sake of arguing now.
And yet when Niantic share guidance you (Dice/Gabriel) twist it and ignore the bits you don't want to hear. And when experienced reviewers share Niantic's guidelines you do the same. There are plenty of new Wayfarers on here who are listening and learning and contributing positively. We were all new to reviewing and submitting once, and the information and guidance was far less accessible than it is now.
People are trying to help. You can choose to continue to argue with everyone, or you can listen and accept the help even if you don't quite agree with it right now.
You share responses cherry picking and obfuscating information to push whatever agenda you want. This forum is for all players to discuss the guidelines and seek clarification. No Ingress Agent is demanding Pokémon GO Trainers to know everything, everyone is sharing ideas, suggestions, and pointing out applicable guides. Except for one person who uses multiple accounts to share irrelevant and spammy posts to derail threads.
Well stated, @Senmana-ING, made the point I was trying make to better than I could.
@Gendgi @Senmana-ING Thank you!
@Gabriel0322-PGO you and your fake accounts are pathetic, stop twisting what NianticCasey has written to justify your rubbish submissions. If you have ever paid any attention to guidance from Niantic you would know that generic “welcome to...” signs are on the do not submit list and guaranteed 1*s. There are some areas which spend some money on their entrance signs and make them visually interesting and those ones may get accepted on the interesting artwork criteria.
This is a prime example of reviewers being confused what to follow. Last guidance was Nianticcasey's comment this week saying they are allowed. Ingress players aren't helping with their opinions and bashing other members on the forums.
There best answer on this thread is incorrect by TheFarix. Who was apart of the same discussion that Nianticcasey responded with.
TheFarix-PGO Posts: 216 ✭✭✭ April 1 Accepted Answer
Welcome signs, entry signs, etc are not eligible unless they are historically or culturally significant. Examples of eligible signs are the Hollywood sign and the Los Vegas sign. Both of which are listed on historic registries.
Hey folks,
A couple of big things here before I answer the immediate question asked:
With that being said, I echo @TheadorX-ING@ThaddeusHunt-PGO@TheFarix-PGO's answer: A plain old sign would only be eligible if it has artistic or cultural relevance. Looking back at the AMA archive, this is reinforced by the June 2018 question:
Q: Are welcome signs for townships, municipalities, boroughs, cities, and towns valid portal submissions?
A: NIA OPS says, “Only if they have any historical or cultural significance.”
Additionally, if these signs do meet the above criteria and are on private residential property, they would be ineligible. Thanks for the great question @TorqaL-PGO!
Gabriel0322-PGO Posts: 511 ✭✭✭ March 24
This looks more like an initial entrance display for a community that was designed to be there. The art on the statue is allowed and often done to preserve and refresh the appearance of the statues due to the natural weather elements for being constantly outside. The statue still is likely to remain for the foreseeable future. It would be a Painted Statue either way. Wear and tear on the concrete walls suggests it has been there a long time and will be there a long time. Entrances to communities are technically public property to the community. A satellite view is needed to decide as based on the appearance it should be in satellite view to confirm the location.
"Please be sure to closely review nominations whose real-world location appears to be within 40 meters of private, single-family residential property, and nominations whose real-world location appears to be in a neighborhood park. To be clear, nominations should be rejected if their real-world location appears to be on private, single-family residential property or might encourage people to go onto private property (e.g., because the real-world location is at the end of a private driveway)."
Measure from the end of the driveway to the submission, it's most likely eligible to be a wayspot.
Here is some good information on entrance signs and wayfinding signs. https://www.siteessentialscompany.com/signage-improves-communities/