Under "Rejection Criteria - Does not meet eligibility criteria":
Does not seem to be a great place of exploration, place for exercise, or place to be social. The object is mass-produced, generic, or not visually unique or interesting.
Does this mean that as long as the object is mass-produced, generic or not visually unique or interesting, it should be rejected based on "Does not meet eligibility criteria", even if it otherwise meets the eligibility criteria for exploration, exercise or socializing? Or is the bolded part just providing examples of objects that do not meet eligibility criteria, and does not decide on its own whether the submission should be rejected?
For example, are mass-produced playground equipments or trail markers eligible?
Historic plaques would this include historical markers, memorial plaques, memorial benches, memorial plaques, dedication plaques, war grave memorial plaques, and group memorials? It seems like they are for all of them, just trying to clarify things acceptable under the title. Does the title need one of these, or is a "historical plaque" needed in the title?
Are billards table, dart boards, horseshoe pits, and video games at a bar, can we accept these similar to a chess board at a park? Bars seem to be hit or miss because people assume all businesses are generic otherwise if its does not look like a bar from like Vegas for smaller cities, or urban areas?
Thoughts on prints? Should they be considered a rejection? Or can we consider them if they are the only one in a city and visually unique to other wayspots near by? This seems to be a popular issue with a lot of reviews.
Whats your opinions of a photosphere? Some reviewers demand them to approve any pokestops? Yet most players don't even know how to submit them? Should a valid item be rejected if it doesn't have one?
A big previous rejection reason was "natural feature," but I'm not seeing *anything* regarding them as a rejection reason now. This is going to cause people to submit trees, lakes, rocks, ponds, etc. without clarification.
Yes, but only so long as those large grassy areas still have safe pedestrian access TO the location. For example, a location that is in the middle of a roundabout that does not have crosswalks leading to them, or a location that is surrounded on all sides by 55mph highways, would NOT be considered "safe".
A location in a park, or on an island, would be fine.
Are neighborhood signs going to be addressed? Previous rejection reasons were basically that if they have no historical value, they need to be rejected. What of artistic structures and designs fr these signs? Saying to reject them flat out causes a negative stigma and negates any argument made for another reasoning (like artistic design), regardless of how articulate those arguments are made.
Will pools be restated as well? The previous recommended reasoning for rejecting them was fairly unintuitive, needing some significance like "an olympic athlete swam here." As I've seen it, they fit multiple categories of exercise and social interaction, and are the epitome of an athletic field. There's also been the clarification to place the marker for large fields on the entrance or somewhere that doesn't impede actual users, which would mean pedestrian access wouldn't be a problem as long as people are tagging the border of the pool and not the center.
There are many many things that were previously well-established and now taken as gospel, thanks to previous conversations (some of which were very long and/or controversial) and AMAs. But with this "cleansing wipe", basically back to zero, I am seeing dozens of conversations where players are hoping that some of these things are no longer true.
Much of it is not discussed or referenced in the newly written Wayfarer instructions. This includes but is not limited to:
Locations with limited access. Think gated communities, where the general public does not have 24/7/365 access. Yet they have their own playgrounds, parks, gazebos, and so on. Some are even contending that making submissions in such spots might now be "abusive" as it can restrict access to a "limited/select" number of players.
Private residential property. Niantic's very-public position on this was defined, but only in those now-missing conversations and AMAs. Roughly, NOTHING on or attached to the PRP was eligible. This included paintings on public-facing property borders (ie. building/garage walls, fencing).
Many many classes of objects that were previously known to be eligible are nowhere to be found. This includes survey markers, community notice boards, and likely the entirety of the former "Candidate Action Guide"
The eligibility for a trail marker contended that it required the name of the trail on the marker, and could not be a simple "distance along the trail" marker. (Personally, I would suggest that a trail marker that includes a trail's unique iconography in lieu of the name could be allowed.)
"Safe pedestrian access". Many of Niantic's public opinions are now obliterated, including: a park is by definition "safe pedestrian access". A business with a parking lot is considered "safe". Sidewalks are not required. You still need to be able to arrive at the location safely (and without teleportation), but locations on islands, mountaintops, and the like are still allowed -- IF you can get to the location legally (ie. by boat, airplane, but not by parachute or by crossing traffic lanes without marked crosswalks).
Occasionally-unsafe locations. The specific instance was about places that could occasionally not be reached safely due to high tides. This would not apply to places that are not open to the public 24/7/365 such as malls.
Fire hydrants were excluded under "blocking emergency services".
All nominations must be a human-made not-common object. Landscaping/topiary does not qualify, as it is still considered "natural features". So no picnic tables, benches, light posts, generic road signs, etc.
I could probably go on (and on) but... at LEAST these things need to be explicitly addressed in the new version of the Wayfarer website's documentation (in the Criteria/Help sections).
The acceptance criteria "Must be a permanent physical, tangible, and identifiable place or object, or object that placemarks an area" would seem to indicate that signs are still required for places that otherwise lack a tangible object.
@0X00FF00-ING ... and yet you’re wrong on some of them, at least PRP. Niantic explicitly wrote many times that 1. Only single family residential properties and farms were addressed by this criterium, and 2. That those didn’t have to be bluntly rejected but “carefully reviewed” instead.
But we still agree on something : the new guidelines are far from sufficient. And as most people won’t ever read the forum or AMA, it’s important that the official guidelines on the wayfarer website be very clear.
all things that are in/on/part of PRP are to be rejected, full stop (with arguments as to where the borders for PRP ends, continuing nonstop -- you may or may not still be able to find old threads regarding boulevards, curbs, right-of-way, easements, etc)
other things that are NEAR PRP (within 40m) were to be "carefully reviewed", and were never outright rejected. The directive was, in general, that if the wayspot might "encourage" trespassing then it was to be rejected.
But yes, @NianticCasey-ING PERSONALLY got involved in discussions regarding things that were only "on" the border of PRP. The specific case was a mural painted on a private garage. The painting itself was on a wall facing an alley (a public right-of-way street), and you could indeed physically walk up to and touch that mural without ever trespassing onto PRP.
But because the mural was ON the private garage, it was still deemed PRP and thus ineligible.
@0X00FF00-ING I’m sorry, but if you begin to not accept what is stated in the AMA and if you consider that the precisions given by @NianticCasey-ING are only their personal opinion and have no general value, I’m afraid we won’t be able to discuss further. For my part, I stop the discussion here on that matter.
Given that I cannot comprehend how your interpretation even follows from Krug's and Casey's previous stated plain-English answers, that's probably fair.
*Also Krug's AMAs and Casey's "PRP" commentary were both answers passed along to us from the Wayfarer Team
Locations that are intentionally and strategically placed to provide advantage to a single player or collective group. Or location edits that attempt to move the Wayspot away from the object with which it’s associated (for example, moving the Wayspot to a different city/country or moving it to a more convenient location).
Can you clarify what the first sentence means, please? I'm seeing people use this to counter the "Wayspots do not need to be be accessible by everyone all the time" previous clarifications we've had in the past.
Could you clarify as to whether to have "safe pedestrian access" the sidewalk along road has to be paved or whether an extended grass verge is acceptable?
I've had a nomination (a piece of public art) next to a bus stop rejected on pedestrian access grounds because it was a soft verge and not paved.
If a road has as soft (grassy) verge instead of a paved sidewalk, does this stil constitute safe pedestrian access if there is enough room to walk along it?
I've had a nomination next to a bus stop rejected because people didn't agree an extended grassy verge is safe pedestrian access.
Gamers want quantity! Are you now saying the community can now decide these things?
whether a painted fire hydrant, hospital corridor mural, statue inside army base restricted area... blocks emergency services (Hint: gamers want quantity!)
boring things that "get a lot of foot traffic" are good wayspots
MOER wayspots at Boy Scout Camps and church kindergarten playgrounds!
Anything noticable when driving by, even if never a destination - like boundary signs for neighborhoods, plazas, city limits, apartment complexes, etc.
Every hole in disc golf! Every bus stop! Every Starbucks! (Are you going to reimburse Starbucks for sponsoring a specific number?)
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Under "Rejection Criteria - Does not meet eligibility criteria":
Does not seem to be a great place of exploration, place for exercise, or place to be social. The object is mass-produced, generic, or not visually unique or interesting.
Does this mean that as long as the object is mass-produced, generic or not visually unique or interesting, it should be rejected based on "Does not meet eligibility criteria", even if it otherwise meets the eligibility criteria for exploration, exercise or socializing? Or is the bolded part just providing examples of objects that do not meet eligibility criteria, and does not decide on its own whether the submission should be rejected?
For example, are mass-produced playground equipments or trail markers eligible?
We're supposed to reject "Photos taken from a car where the car dashboard is visible"
This would seem to allow other parts of the car to be visible such as wing mirrors, door glass, sun visor, etc. – is this really intentional?
Parks and plazas, some show no signs in the new criteria section, is it safe to say a sign isn't mandatory now if it is a real park?
Gardens and forests are they acceptable without a sign in public areas?
Biking and hiking trails are normal generic looking signs acceptable? If they are on a real designated trail by the city?
Historic plaques would this include historical markers, memorial plaques, memorial benches, memorial plaques, dedication plaques, war grave memorial plaques, and group memorials? It seems like they are for all of them, just trying to clarify things acceptable under the title. Does the title need one of these, or is a "historical plaque" needed in the title?
Pedestrian access, is large enough grass standing areas for groups acceptable as pedestrian access?
Are billards table, dart boards, horseshoe pits, and video games at a bar, can we accept these similar to a chess board at a park? Bars seem to be hit or miss because people assume all businesses are generic otherwise if its does not look like a bar from like Vegas for smaller cities, or urban areas?
Thoughts on prints? Should they be considered a rejection? Or can we consider them if they are the only one in a city and visually unique to other wayspots near by? This seems to be a popular issue with a lot of reviews.
Whats your opinions of a photosphere? Some reviewers demand them to approve any pokestops? Yet most players don't even know how to submit them? Should a valid item be rejected if it doesn't have one?
According to the new criteria, safety shelter is reject.
1.Should I reject the designated shelter such as a gymnasium or a community center?
2.Should I reject the designated emergency evacuation site such as parks, squares and tsunami evacuation towers?
A big previous rejection reason was "natural feature," but I'm not seeing *anything* regarding them as a rejection reason now. This is going to cause people to submit trees, lakes, rocks, ponds, etc. without clarification.
Yes, but only so long as those large grassy areas still have safe pedestrian access TO the location. For example, a location that is in the middle of a roundabout that does not have crosswalks leading to them, or a location that is surrounded on all sides by 55mph highways, would NOT be considered "safe".
A location in a park, or on an island, would be fine.
Sidewalks have never been mandatory.
Are neighborhood signs going to be addressed? Previous rejection reasons were basically that if they have no historical value, they need to be rejected. What of artistic structures and designs fr these signs? Saying to reject them flat out causes a negative stigma and negates any argument made for another reasoning (like artistic design), regardless of how articulate those arguments are made.
Will pools be restated as well? The previous recommended reasoning for rejecting them was fairly unintuitive, needing some significance like "an olympic athlete swam here." As I've seen it, they fit multiple categories of exercise and social interaction, and are the epitome of an athletic field. There's also been the clarification to place the marker for large fields on the entrance or somewhere that doesn't impede actual users, which would mean pedestrian access wouldn't be a problem as long as people are tagging the border of the pool and not the center.
There are many many things that were previously well-established and now taken as gospel, thanks to previous conversations (some of which were very long and/or controversial) and AMAs. But with this "cleansing wipe", basically back to zero, I am seeing dozens of conversations where players are hoping that some of these things are no longer true.
Much of it is not discussed or referenced in the newly written Wayfarer instructions. This includes but is not limited to:
I could probably go on (and on) but... at LEAST these things need to be explicitly addressed in the new version of the Wayfarer website's documentation (in the Criteria/Help sections).
The acceptance criteria "Must be a permanent physical, tangible, and identifiable place or object, or object that placemarks an area" would seem to indicate that signs are still required for places that otherwise lack a tangible object.
@0X00FF00-ING ... and yet you’re wrong on some of them, at least PRP. Niantic explicitly wrote many times that 1. Only single family residential properties and farms were addressed by this criterium, and 2. That those didn’t have to be bluntly rejected but “carefully reviewed” instead.
But we still agree on something : the new guidelines are far from sufficient. And as most people won’t ever read the forum or AMA, it’s important that the official guidelines on the wayfarer website be very clear.
The previous rulings were:
But yes, @NianticCasey-ING PERSONALLY got involved in discussions regarding things that were only "on" the border of PRP. The specific case was a mural painted on a private garage. The painting itself was on a wall facing an alley (a public right-of-way street), and you could indeed physically walk up to and touch that mural without ever trespassing onto PRP.
But because the mural was ON the private garage, it was still deemed PRP and thus ineligible.
What is the meaning of "nature sign" ? What does this represent?
@0X00FF00-ING I’m sorry, but if you begin to not accept what is stated in the AMA and if you consider that the precisions given by @NianticCasey-ING are only their personal opinion and have no general value, I’m afraid we won’t be able to discuss further. For my part, I stop the discussion here on that matter.
Given that I cannot comprehend how your interpretation even follows from Krug's and Casey's previous stated plain-English answers, that's probably fair.
*Also Krug's AMAs and Casey's "PRP" commentary were both answers passed along to us from the Wayfarer Team
Folks! This is an AMA; not a debate class.
What is a "prints" ?
A copy of a work of art, normally framed and hanging on a wall.
Reproductions of paintings using modern printing methods. These would actually fall under mass-produced art, even when they are a limited run.
Rejection Criteria
Abusive location
Locations that are intentionally and strategically placed to provide advantage to a single player or collective group. Or location edits that attempt to move the Wayspot away from the object with which it’s associated (for example, moving the Wayspot to a different city/country or moving it to a more convenient location).
Can you clarify what the first sentence means, please? I'm seeing people use this to counter the "Wayspots do not need to be be accessible by everyone all the time" previous clarifications we've had in the past.
Could you clarify as to whether to have "safe pedestrian access" the sidewalk along road has to be paved or whether an extended grass verge is acceptable?
I've had a nomination (a piece of public art) next to a bus stop rejected on pedestrian access grounds because it was a soft verge and not paved.
If a road has as soft (grassy) verge instead of a paved sidewalk, does this stil constitute safe pedestrian access if there is enough room to walk along it?
I've had a nomination next to a bus stop rejected because people didn't agree an extended grassy verge is safe pedestrian access.
Are walking knots like these
Eglible or not in certain countries there are a lot of these and it is part of a network of walking trails
I can't seem to figure out what the answer is and i am not the only one
Gamers want quantity! Are you now saying the community can now decide these things?