Abusive wayspot removal appeal : Le Mini Chalet
dw235-ING
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Title of the Wayspot: Le Mini Chalet
Location: 45.7990760, 6.5105010
City: Crest-Voland
Country: France
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A portal frequently used as an anchor by enl players from Haute-Savoie, France (you know, Chamonix, Mont-Blanc) was just removed.
This portal was aggressively reported by res players because playing the game was maybe too hard for them?
There were 5 reports of this portal on the forums.
One on community :
It was marked as duplicate of the next one.
4 on this forum :
All 4 were denied.
The first one of the 4 is a special case because a name modification was submitted and approved before asking for removal, certainly to make the removal more probable as the new name translates to "Toilets in my garden".
And, by the way, a location edit was also submitted :
I did not found a report on this forum that approved the removal of the portal, so it may have come from reports done from the app.
I would like to have the portal restore.
Maybe actions against players reporting again and again a portal to be removed, in the forum or from the app, even after being denied every time would be a good idea, it's borderline harassment.
Is there a way to mark this portal as protected so anyone evaluating it for removal is informed of it's history?
Edit:
There is also that post from @Daveymda-ING that receive a warning for submitting a modification of the name of the wayspot to add "on private lawn" because asking for deletion was not working.
His words : "I first reported it as an invalid portal as being on private residential property but after careful review Niantic decided to keep it. It seems that anyone can now add their garden shed to the portal network and it will get accepted.
If Niantic weren't going to remove it I suggested a title edit from 'mini chalet' title to 'mini chalet on private lawn' for the sole purpose of helping other players with a more accurate description. If using the word 'private' gets a warning or ban, I definately missed it in all the portal edit advice I read in their guidelines.
Another local player also suggested a location change recently for the same portal to its actual location after it was successfully moved closer the edge of the private road it is found on by another player. He received a 30 day wayfarer ban for abuse."
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Pour ne pas te prendre en traître, @Dieyz-ING
Si tu regardes sur le forum c’est pas moi qui ai fait supprimer.
Par contre je connais personnellement le propriétaire du chalet, et il était pas content quand il a apprit que quelqu’un était rentrer dans son jardin privé pour faire ça. C’est peut être lui qui a signaler directement à niantic après que je lui ai dit.
Ou alors c’est le post de Dave, mais Niantic n’y a pas répondu.
Ps : t’inquiète j’ai été ban 30 jours de Wayfarer pour avoir demander à déplacer le « mini chalet » a sa vrai place, et non pas à côté de la route pour que ça soit accessible depuis la maison du joueur dont tu parles.
@dw235-ING donx je comprend que tu défend une de vos ancre. Mais commencez par la placer à sa vrai place, et pas 20m plus loin pour l’avoir depuis le canapé, non ?
Hello everybody,
I still don't understand what the added value is for such a POI, and in my opinion, this POI should have never popped in any Niantic game. It is not cultural, not historical, not architecturally relevant, it doesn't allow players to gather here and spend a good time together, as it is on a private lawn/property, etc.
What I understand even less is that the removal of this POI had been denied so many times before.
Just be happy you were able to play with it so many months/years before and find another LEGITIMATE anchor for your future moves.
Is it on single family, private, residential property? If so, that does make it ineligible and a removal candidate. I can't tell from the information provided.
Sometimes when people say something is on private property, they don't mean a single family residence, but just that it's not accessible to the general public.
Have you looked at the discussion of all the previous removal appeals I linked ? I'm sure you will find your answer.
From this post in another removal appeal : https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/14960/#Comment_14960
Wayspots will only be removed if they meet one of the following criteria:
You have all the right to think that it should not be a portal, @2Didch-ING, but Niantic already evaluate it and respond 4 times.
Let's say I think the "Baraque du Touppinet" should not be a portal and we do the same thing with it : reporting it, again and again, then making appeal after appeal. And each time Niantic said : "nope, no removal", we continue to report it and make appeals until someone remove it, would you be pleased ?
Applying your rules, you would have nothing to say, just look for another portal. But I'm sure you would be as fast as possible on this forum to make an appeal while accusing us of playing dirty.
Thanks @Dieyz-ING , I had missed that post from @Daveymda-ING
And you doesn’t care that Mikeul never asked to the owner ? And that he cheat on the position to play from his house ?
Seems that, if it's true, it's not a problem for Niantic as they refused your appeals 4 times and issued a 30 days Wayfarer ban when a player (I think it was you Dieyz?) try to move it.
From where I sit, you res are doing problematic things and Niantic is punishing you, not us.
Yet you continue, again and again to do it. What do you need to stop acting like this? That Niantic ban your whole ingress account? I'm sure that can be arranged if you continue.
So now, stop playing dirty and removing waypoints used by the other team and start capturing some MUs. That's how the game is played if you remember!
You are talking about the criterias which are needed in order to remove a POI while I am talking about the criterias which are needed in order for a POI to appear in the network.
If an illegitimate POI has appeared in the network, but meets the criterias you mention in order not to remove it, it doesn't mean that this POI should stay forever. Thus, the example you give about the info panel "Baraque du Touppinet" is not relevant, as this one meets the cultural criteria needed for a POI to appear in the network.
Would it be relevant to remove this info panel or to try to make it disappear because I often use it as an anchor? Or should it stay, as cultural information are written on it about the wild animals that live in these mountains?
Is it relevant to try to have several times le mini chalet removed just because it doesn't meet one single criteria or should it stay forever because, for some incomprehensible reason, reviewers once agreed to bring it to the network, even though there was not the beginning of a single criteria?
@2Didch-ING it's your opinion that one waypoint is illegitimate and another is legitimate. My point of view can be different.
But it's not you, nor me that decides it at the moment, it's Niantic.
And they decide (I insist on it once again) 4 TIMES that this waypoint is legitimate.
But still you continue to report it to have it removed. Even changing the name to WC... thinking it would facilitate the removal.
@Daveymda-ING tried to change the name with reasons I found dubious to add "on private lawn". It really might be a coincidence that it's a criteria for removal... He gets a warning.
@Dieyz-ING tried to move it, he got a 30 days Wayfarer ban.
At every turn, Niantic says no, yet you persist. That's the problem, it's anti-game, and now it has to stop or you should be punished, all and everyone of you that are doing it. Niantic went easy with you, now maybe they have to go hard. But it's not my decision, it's their's.
But finaly Niantic decided to delete here. And you are here to ask they put it again IG after THEY decided to remove ?
And if the owner asked to remove it What you’ll do ?
Isn’t a problem for niantic people do trepassing ? Yes it is.
and you say it is normal i take 30 days of Wayfarer ban because i wanted to move it to the REAL position ? So you admit you cheat on the position ? Ok.
@Dieyz-ING
I will abide by Niantic decision, as you should have done from the start.
Concerning the location of the waypoint, my phrase contains "if it's true". I don't know if the location of the waypoint is correct. But when you tried to move it, you were banned, and with your dubious behavior concerning waypoints, I think I know who not to trust.
The Owner is my wife ... she receive a private mail to push her to ask a portail removal serveral month ago, ... she never answer to this mail ... and the portal position is perfectly on the mini chalet ...
All my best ...
The owner is « Bertrand Bouchex » son of « Leon bouchex ». And that’s why they road name is « La route à Léon »
And you say the position was perfectly on the mini chalet ? Are you sure ?
The first one with the blue circle show thé réal position of the « mini chalet » And you know It’s true, you did Lot of StreetView that can proof it
Do you really think that we keep on reporting this POI just because we find it fun to bother Niantic with repeated appeals, taking the risk to get bans (and, actually, getting some) just because we want to target an ENL player? Do you really think our motivation is just to **** him? Or can you imagine that we are just trying to “fix” some injustice which has lasted for more than one year, maybe two? You are talking about us “playing dirty”, but it’s “funny” to notice that you don’t see anything wrong for you to use an illegitimate portal.
You say that your point of view about illegitimate/legitimate POI can be different than mine. But it should NOT! The whole Niantic community/players should be/is fully aware about what a good wayspot is and what is not, as Niantic provide descriptions as accurate as possible for everybody to know. And I'm sure you know the criterias. Thus, we should not have different opinions about it, even though you try to use the fact that Niantic refused 4 times to remove this POI from the network. Telling foolishness 4 times and being believed 4 times will never make it a truth. And you know it.
Formerly, this wayspot was located at the right place, in a private garden (which belongs to Mikeul’s wife, according to what I just read). Someone moved it closer to the road. Why? It was already an illegitimate portal, and suddenly, it was an illegitimate portal + located at a wrong place. @Dieyz-ING tried to re-locate it at the right/previous place, and he got a 30 days Wayfarer ban. Is it fair, according to you? Is it “playing dirty”, like you said, when someone just tries to locate portals at their very right place? Just look at the satellite view, it’s OBVIOUS (and don’t tell me you don’t know).
Last, but certainly not least, I REALLY did NOT appreciate the way you are trying to tell Niantic how they should behave with us trying to prove that injustice. You may consider that they “went easy with us”, that “maybe they have to go hard”, that “Niantic should ban our whole Ingress account”, etc. You don’t even have a single clue about our feeling when we see ENL playing with this illegitimate anchor, week after week, month after month, and now, trying to obstinately defend this portal with dubious arguments.
So, let me consider in return that, “from where I sit”, they also went easy with you. Very easy. Like I said, just be happy you were able to play with it so many months/years before and find another LEGITIMATE anchor for your future moves, so that everybody can play fair.
And please, stop throwing gasoline on this fire pretending you are trying to extinguish it.
Over.
@2Didch-ING I can't agree with you about wayspot beeing intrinsically legitimate or not. There is no absolute. You think it's not legitimate so you think everyone must think the same. No, there is no absolute. Maybe the best proof of that is that up to now, Niantic thought it was legitimate.
That's a special kind of mind to think that what you think is true must be true for everyone.
Now, we let Niantic decide. If it's deemed illegitimate, fine by me.
If it's deemed legitimate, I hope you would accept the decision and stop asking for it's removal. But I know you will never stopped until you can't do anything.
Celine Bouchex is the sister of Bertrand bouchex and my wife ... lol ... this area (parcel) is only own by celine bouchex, you can consult the official french cadastre my friend, i know Bertrand ( my " beau frere" and leon my " beau pere" ) since 26 years ... please ask me if you need more details on the owners of this area, .... i,m the webmaster of the Web site you mention ...
All thoses exchanges are so stupid ...
Ok so you agree this own by your wife and so It’s private. Good.
Ok you agree what you say about the owner was wrong ... the owner is not the person you mention, she know this portal and she agree People to come to play ingress, pokemon go ... the piece of land is on a private property yes, like 90 % of all portals in the world, ex: casle if often a private property, you have to make a difference between on a Land who belong to somebody and in a private area forbiden to access to public , you came to hack, attack this portal several times by car, by foot, do you cross somebody that says "sir this area if forbidden?" No ... so this portal has no access restriction ...
If Niantics have the full logs of this portal, they will see lots of differents peoples playing differents games particularly during holidays periods... at the beginning of pokemon go this was a major portals (tower)
All my best for this new confinement period ...
I did more than 300 news wayspots, and no one is less than 40 of a private proprety... so i really think It’s possible.
Maybe that can help you :
I am glad this toilet or tool shed or whatever this stupid thing is finally got removed. It has absolutely 0 value and should not have been approved at all.
If you read this, is only for Customer of this hostel. Is not the private residential.
They have other private proprety at less than 30 meters too
@NianticGiffard what's happening with this appeal, you've skipped it. Is it receiving a special analysis time?
**** it's a WC cabin in a garden !
How dare to submit this kind of wayspot ?!
Hi there, @dw235-ING! I've escalated your report internally for review. We will follow-up as soon as we have more information to share. Thank you!
Hi @NianticGiffard, as this report is still escalating, it’s going to reach the top of the Mont-Blanc. I hope we get a definitive response before it goes over the Moon and reach Mars 😉.
Knowing why it was eventually removed after a lot of tries and denied appeals would also be helpful to the wayfarer community.
And if nothing is done against players reporting again and again valid but strategic portals of the other team until deletion, the war is going to be very ugly because it would be seen as a valid strategy instead of fighting fair and square in the game.
Oh, and the reports from @Dieyz-ING about that portal on this forum went missing, I wonder what happened?
Have a nice day.
I apologize for the delay however our team is still looking into it. I will get back to you as soon I hear from them. I appreciate your patience and understanding until then.