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Footbridges

Since the October Ingress AMA, there has been a massive influx of bridges of all kinds into the Wayfarer system. There seems to be a general opinion of either "if it's a pedestrian footbridge then it's valid", or "only for named trails".

What about wooden walking trail bridges throughout a park or nature preserve on the trail/path? If they are accessible by foot and expected to be used as part of the trail, they would meet the criteria.

Please can we get a clarification of what "trail" means? Is this only for named trails, or any path that has a bridge on it? A lot of the bridges I am seeing are footbridges that connect one area to another, or a small bridge over a stream, but not connected to any sort of trail.

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  • Senmana-INGSenmana-ING Posts: 129 ✭✭✭✭

    Glad someone asked this, feel like every bridge I see on Wayfarer claims to be part of some trail when in reality it's just a generic footbridge on a path.

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mantolwen-ING I think Niantic mean that it should be part of a named trail, however the wording could do with some clarification as some players could take it to mean any old footpath, route, or trail that happens to go over a footbridge.

    I think since that clarification was added, I've only seen ONE footbridge that was part of a named trail, the rest have usually been just a footbridge that's used to connect one area to another area.

  • oscarc1-INGoscarc1-ING Posts: 366 ✭✭✭✭✭

    People have massively abused the 'footbridge' clarification, where the majority of submissions aren't even footbridges, let alone apart of a trail. There are so many low quality nominations that come through the system that are labelled as bridges/footbridges, it really needs to be stopped. Below are some poor quality examples.

    It would be ideal if Niantic rescinded their clarification about bridges and simply made them ineligible.

    The only times a bridge should be eligible is if it has actual historic/cultural significance. Bridges like London Tower Bridge, Golden Gate Bridge, Sydney Harbour Bridge, etc. They all have history, they all have a story to tell and are all tourist points of interest. The bridge we see in Wayfarer are a joke and are absolutely disgraceful. It severely degrades the quality of the Niantic Real World Platform, if anybody were serious in investing into the platform and had any questions on the quality of the points of interest, they would immediately turn back.

    Hopefully Niantic see this and take some action to bring back quality into submissions.

    ^Literally just a dirt patch


    ^These are footpaths with drainage pipes below them, they are not footbridges.

    ^This is a footpath

    ^Footpath

    ^Footpath

    ^Footpath

    ^Staircase

    ^Footpath


    I have hundreds of other examples.

    The worst part about it, you would be surprised how many of these actually pass.

  • GreyAlf-INGGreyAlf-ING Posts: 6 ✭✭

    here is one I submitted. Children play here catching insects and playing with water. So I would say it qualifies. Trail not named.

  • mantolwen-INGmantolwen-ING Posts: 27 ✭✭✭

    This is precisely what I'm looking for the answer to. In my opinion a bridge like this has no significance. It's just a way of getting from A to B. Children playing here doesn't really make any difference as it's not a designated playground.

  • YllwLdbttr-PGOYllwLdbttr-PGO Posts: 40 ✭✭

    I wonder why people think only bridges that are part of a walking trail are eligible. The oct 2019 question specifically asks about walking trail bridges. But according to the feb 2018 answer, any bridge qualifies if it's special enough.

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    October 2019 refers specifically to footbridges on walking trails or in parks though, not traffic bridges or bridges that are ruins but still have safe pedestrian access.

  • GreyAlf-INGGreyAlf-ING Posts: 6 ✭✭

    But the quote further down say footbridges on a trail through a park is OK. And this one is one of these. Not a named trail though.

  • mantolwen-INGmantolwen-ING Posts: 27 ✭✭✭

    I would really appreciate an answer from Niantic on this as the community is too divided.

  • Senmana-INGSenmana-ING Posts: 129 ✭✭✭✭

    Cringing at these examples but have seen similar submitted and even going live in the UK. I've only seen a handful where I could confirm they were part of a trail, and usually the submitter provided a link to a map of the trail which mentioned the bridge, or it had a trail marker disc actually on it.

  • ElfFromSpace-INGElfFromSpace-ING Posts: 49 ✭✭✭

    While footbridges are among the less interesting wayspots out there, I find their addition to be really good. They are, by definition, accessible on foot, tend to help people navigate and get around, etc. I do admit that when I got bored of writing normal descriptions for them, I started including random quotes about bridges I found online.


  • YouLostAStar-INGYouLostAStar-ING Posts: 280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How on earth did that get accepted 😬

  • JSteve0-INGJSteve0-ING Posts: 516 ✭✭✭✭

    Why wouldn't this get accepted with current guidance?

    I don't find pedestrian footbridges that interesting, but AMA guidance says "If they are accessible by foot and expected to be used as part of the trail, they would meet criteria"

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think what Niantic meant by part of the trail was that it would be part of a named trail.

    I could be wrong and happy for Niantic to clarify.

  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 3,504 Ambassador

    I had this to review the other day. The nomination described it as a footbridge, but it's just a trail underpass. I understand it meets similar criteria as a footbridge, but it's not the same. It was part of a named trail.

    Hopefully trail underpasses can be addressed.

  • mantolwen-INGmantolwen-ING Posts: 27 ✭✭✭

    For me I think the misinterpretation comes around "wooden walking trail bridge". A "wooden walking trail bridge" is NOT a bridge. If you google "wooden walking trail" you get those long paths that stretch out just above a surface (or even up in the trees), that go the whole length of the path. Not a footbridge, or an overpass bridge, or any of that sort of thing. So in my opinion people have completely misunderstood the question and answer.

  • sq3rjick-INGsq3rjick-ING Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited April 2020

    I think you are maybe reading it as "wooden walking trail" + "bridge". I wouldn't read "wooden" that way. If that was the meaning, it would have been said "forest walking trail bridge" or "woods walking trail bridge" or "walking trail bridge in the woods". "Wooden" is an adjective modifying the noun, "walking trail bridge". It's mentioned that it's in a park or nature preserve. There are plenty of walking trail bridges made out of wood in those sorts of locations, especially in America. Since Niantic is a US-based company, I would read the American interpretation in the answer, which is "a walking trail bridge made of wood, located in a park or nature preserve". Your interpretation definitely is not a common usage in the US, and I think it's far more likely to be read in the case of "a bridge made of wood, located along a walking trail", especially considering that those are definitely real and common things.

  • Dice3423-INGDice3423-ING Posts: 817 ✭✭✭✭

    Materials differences do not matter on approved things. Playgrounds are playgrounds all made of various different materials.

  • Faversham71-INGFaversham71-ING Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one is part of a long distance path and I think meets the brief, although the trail name disc is on the other end - this end only has the generic direction marker, so if ever I submitted it I'd have to photograph the other end. The local rights of way team are a little inconsistent with signage:


  • Faversham71-INGFaversham71-ING Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2020

    Duplicate

    Post edited by Faversham71-ING on
  • sq3rjick-INGsq3rjick-ING Posts: 15 ✭✭

    No, I think that a "wooden walking trail bridge" is literally a bridge, on a trail, made out of wood. Literally, that's it.

    Something like this:

    Or this:

    Or this:

    Each of these is definitely a bridge, with sides, that crosses some sort of obstacle. Each is definitely on a trail or path. This is exactly what I have in mind.

  • sq3rjick-INGsq3rjick-ING Posts: 15 ✭✭

    And? I don't see the point being made here. I was just referring to the question asked. The question said "wooden walking trail bridge". The answer made no mention of material, as long as it was along a trail (which is another point of contention I tried to clarify above). Honestly, any material a bridge was made out of, as long as it was a bridge and on a path or trail, and actually a "bridge", would be fine for me. A "wooden walking trail bridge" is not the same thing as a "boardwalk". I don't care about the "wooden" bit at all, except to say that it definitely is referring to a "bridge" and not literally anything else. It just happens that most of such bridges are actually made out of wood, at least where I live. And, also, that "wooden" doesn't explicitly and exclusively mean "in the woods". But, that's a different tangent, since the "wooden" qualifier was only in the question asked and not in the answer given.

  • sq3rjick-INGsq3rjick-ING Posts: 15 ✭✭

    I'd totally say that qualifies even without the trail marker or signage. I'd have no problem approving that as-is. Most bridges like that near me wouldn't ever have any marking or signage.

  • Senmana-INGSenmana-ING Posts: 129 ✭✭✭✭

    I would need some proof these were on a trail. A link to a map that mentions them perhaps. Otherwise they're just a generic footbridge to me.

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They didn't mention anything about ratings. They said they would need proof it's part of a trail, such as a map. 🤦‍♂️

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